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Not to mention that the inhalation of any burning matter is bad for you.
Even though I don't know much about this subject I'm definately enjoying your discussion on it. ![]() *lurks and enjoys*
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I think we all know pot is bad for you, but then again so is drinking a lot of alcohol, smoking cigarettes, and eating fish from the Baltic Sea more than once a week.
The upcoming British election was briefly featured on the Swedish news. Tony Blair and Michael Howard each had a short quote from an interview. (Charles Kennedy did not get a snippet.) Blair's went something like this (paraphrase): "I want a country where no matter what your race, religion, gender, colour, or (some other things) is, you still get the chance to make the most of yourself." Howard's went something like this (paraphrase): "Tony Blair is all talk and no action. And he's been doing nothing but talk and break promises for eight years. You can give him another five years... or you can vote Conservative." If Michael Howard had been in a chatroom he would have said "tony blair is t3h suxxx00rzzz!!!!!!!111". ![]() Howard's technique has been employed in Canadian politics more than once by opposition parties. Basically, the government has had plenty of chances to break their promises and screw something up. The opposition, on the other hand, merely has to keep from looking like morons in debates. It's a lot easier for them to criticize failed attempts from the government, since they don't have to attempt anything (not as major anyway) themselves. I suppose this situation occurs in Britain too. The problem with this is Howard's (et al) reasoning is it gives a reason not to vote for the other guy (if he does, in fact, suck), but why should you vote for Howard? He has to at least prove that he doesn't suck as much as Tony Blair. ![]()
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it is the usual tactic in run up to election
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People aren't going to vote LibDem? What they propose certainly seems appealing to me. Here's some of their goals from their top 10 list:
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2 questions this page brought up for me... what's means-testing, as in "means-testing pensionners"? And what's compulsory ID cards? That one seems a bit pointless - I mean, won't people who need an ID card make sure they have one? In BC, if you don't have a driver's licence (common form of 'official' ID), you can get a BC Identification Card for $35. link
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means testing is working out how much someone can afford to pay of tax, or how much benefit they should receive by examining their income and expenditure
the gov't was thinking of bringing in compulsory ID cards, and they would charge you for this privelidge of putting you in a police state ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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there was support from tony's cronies, but the public do not want it generally,
i don't know if it is still planned but i think it was chucked out with david blunkett, it was one of his great ideas |
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The ID card bill was scheduled for the last year of this parliament: as the election has been called a year earlier than the statutory limit this bill (and I imagine others) will either not happen or will be delayed.
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i am favouring the former over the latter
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Unfortunately, it will probably be carried over to the next parliament if Labour wins. I am against them as well; I think they're fundamentally illiberal. The benefits are far outweighed by the risks. If they do bring 'em in, let's line up to burn 'em.
Actually, LCoU, there's been a lot of recent research re pot and MH. While I'd agree that just because something is harmful doesn't mean you should ban it, I think there's also a lot of misconceptions that it's just a "beneficial weed", particularly the much more potent skunk you get these days. Back to topic, a great sketch by Hoggart in today's Grauniad, commenting on how: Quote:
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Oh yeah... come on 'Up, up up... down, down, down.'
*Does the new Tory dance*
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Did you see Prime Minister's Questions?
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only a bit on itv news
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Ah, the bit they showed on ITV was actually much longer, and had a 'down, down, down' bit.
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dont succumb
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I'm too young. I'm only seventeen damit.
But I'm in the old seat of Johnathon Aitken, so we're held by Labour but it's really a Tory constiuency, so I probably would vote Tory (it would be quite marginal in th end).
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Tory voters are far more likely to actually vote than Labour, and in 2001 there was a hell of a lot of anti-tory tactical voting by Labour and LibDems to keep the Tories out, which I don't think will be repeated this time (it's certainly hard to imagine LibDem supporters voting Labour tactically this time).
It will be interesting to see how the Labour strategy to woo disaffected voters unfolds. They seem to be playing the "hold your nose and vote for Tony and you'll get Gordon Brown in a couple of years" card at the moment. However, that's better than the racist, reactionary and negative cards the Tories are relying on (immigration, gypsies, etc). It has to be said, the thought of Howard getting in is truly appalling and is almost enough to make me vote for Labour. |
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