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I'll guess doing good things is not cool and I don't think this will be the best place to say if he did, you would be slaughtered like a chicken in a foxfarm
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It would be folly to say he was not responsible for anything good. Despite the incredible evil that came out of the Return, I don't think it can be claimed that no good came of it. Fëanor would therefore be as responsible for the good as for the evil. But, in any case, I think that the evil far outweighs the good.
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he gets slammed for it Pity some other nancy Elves didn't do the same, or dare I join Feanor in defying the Valar(which I do!!! ) some of them!!!! Mr Manwe was not exactly pro active in his ideas , I shall probably be cursed with the same curse as Feanor (GOOD I DON'T CARE!!! ) I have a silmaril ready to whack the nearest non Feanor senseless!! (Bad day at the forge today!! ) |
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Anyway, he did a lot more than just say rude words. Let's see... rebellion, murder, treason... The list goes on until he finally died.
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Interesting, the obvious distinction between genious and true wisdom, wouldn't you all say? Here's the logic of the most brilliant of the Noldor. Count Comfect and I have been discussing it over PM and don't really think that Fëanor's sons stood much of a chance against him and the Oath. Since there's not much more to blame Fëanor on, anyone want to move into discussing his sons?
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Blaming his sons too? or speaking of them in a general way? Yes, why not? maybe you come up with more things to blame Feanor for
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Actually, it might seem strange, but I don't blame them that much at all. I don't think you can look at the Oath as just a normal sort of promise... geas goes much further than that...
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Yes, I agree. The Oath is much stronger. That truly was Feanors fault, not his sons.
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I'm quite against the argument that Fëanor's sons did not have to follow after their father and speak the Oath. After all, Fëanor managed to incite almost all of the Noldor to rebellion... and then to kinslaying.
How could his sons have abandoned him in that moment? How could they have withstood their father when few else of the Noldor could? And I think filial duty comes into it quite a bit here as well... And what could they have done after? *This* is why I hate Fëanor.
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Yes. Who were they, his sons if they had opposed him, when everyone else hailed him? He got to be a elf people liked and admired to get them to that.
So if they sons of Feanor "had" a choice, they really had not. I don't find a hiting comparsion now.
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Everythings Fëanor's sons did was Fëanor's fault!
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Yeah, and trying to usurp Finrod's throne and turning all his people against him.
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Of Feanor's sons, Celegorm & Curufin are the only ones I really dislike... I have sympathy for all the others in one way or another, since everything they may have done was Feanor's fault. The kidnapping of Luthien etc., however, was not.
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