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I like the animated one better than jackson's for several reasons. If you read the books - the nazgul are more like the are in the book. They sway back and forth as if sniffing for something.
Other things include the flight to the ford scene - true to the book - not that crap Jackson came up with. The emphasis on the friendship, with the speech from Merry about why they are going with Frodo to Rivendell. I also felt Pippin and Merry were much better in the animated one and not a bunch of brainless idiots that Jackson made them out to be.
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For me those are probably the only things they got right in the cartoon version. And saying that Jackson's ford scene is crap is an icreadably blunt statement with no reasons supporting why you think its crap. The only thing I didn't like about that scene is when Arwen says"If you want him, come and claim him." She just sounds corny to me. Other than that I thought it was very well done...especially when she spoke in elvish to bring forth the river.Here's a few reasons I dont like Bakshi's version.
1.) Bakshi's version had no elvish (to my knowledge ) at all in the movie. I could be wrong though cause I haven't seen the video I got in like a year. ![]() 2.) All of the battle scenes are too dark and you can't see whats happening. Especially the scene when the rohirrim battle the orcs near fangorn. 3.) all the orcs look like cavemen and they dance instead of fight. 4.) The Aruman mistake is unforgivable. 5.) The way Boromir prononces Minias Tirith....Minus Tirith? Whats up with that...the poor guy cant even say the name of his own city correctly. 6.) Boromir looks like a Viking ready to rape and pilage and drink ale till he drops. 7.) The Bolrog looks like a freakin manticore....???? 8.) the whole movie feels rushed especially when the TTT portion of the movie starts. Like they got tired and lazy and just stoped caring. 9.) Treebeard is in only ONE freakin scene! and he looks like a giant carrot/stump more than a tree. 10.) the last thing Ill mention is the lack of explanation for accuring events. There is little to nothing explaned. The movie plays through like everyone is already familier with the story so therefore they dont have to explain anything because that would take to much time away from dancing orcs and mispronunciations of important key names and cities. I think Im done. Sorry for wasting your time with my ranting ![]() |
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By the way - I'm more concerned with the '"feel" of the movie - not whether everything is exactly correct. I can forgive a lot more in Bakshi's than I can in jackson's. Jackson lost the heart adn soul of Lord of the Rings - by making it into a dumbed down hollywoodized action flick.
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Jackson had a large budget to work with in making the LOTR films. I thought the PJ films were better than average (I did enjoy watching the films, but there were many things that I found disappointing in the theatrical releases of the films). With the budget available, I thought the films could have been much better. While there are many things to be critical of in Bakshi's version of LOTR, I would have liked to see what Bakshi would have produced if had similar financial resources as PJ did in producing his films. Bakshi still may have made mistakes, (as PJ proves money does not guarentee error free work ![]()
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Lack of funds to properly produce the film, The directing is not very good.
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Sincerely, Anthony 'Many are my names in many countries,' he said. 'Mithrandir among the Elves, Tharkûn to the Drarves; Olórin I was in my youth in the West that is forgotten, in the South Incánus, in the North Gandalf; to the East I go not.' Faramir What nobler employment, or more valuable to the state, than that of the man who instructs the rising generation? Cicero (106BC-43BC) |
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Yeah I would like to see it redone. The Bakshi movie had a lot of potential and could have been great. I did see it before the FOTR came out and I didn't think it was that bad at first, but when PJ's version came out there was no doubt in my mind which one came out on top. I still think Bakshi's will be medeocre at best. Who knows? Maybe 20 years down the line someone else will direct another lotr that will surpass PJ's. But with his self need of "film" perfectionism, I think it will be hard for anyone to surpass his directoral genius. ![]() |
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![]() welcome back JD, didn't know you had returned!
![]() to be honest i didn't like the look of treebeard in either versions, either a carrot or a weird thin tree. i had visualised him more as an oak-type tree, as this was supported by various lines in the books, i.e: when describing the entmoot, it says how some ents seemed to be related to treebeard, recalling the oak and beech but he certainly was no carrot, carrot, i am no carrot, little orc etc |
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new?
I noticed what looked like a new animated series of Hobbit-LOTR at the video store last week. The cover scene looked different than the older two we've all seen (or most of us). It certainly looked like a rerelease and it was in the New Movie Section. The characters looked softer and rounder (like a kids movie type drawing). I only gave a quick glance and immedietely assumed they were new. Likely they were only new to the store, but who knows.
Anyone else seen them in their video stores (new movie section)?
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I'm sure I missed a few... But to shorten it up, Frodo, Arwen, and the Nazgul all act in a completely out of character fashion that weakens both them as characters and the overall plot for the rest of the trilogy. There are scenes which I think are worse, but the Flight to the Ford is the one place where the story really begins to fall apart for Jackson. It's all downhill from here. Okay. On another note: I don't know whether Bakashi would have done any better if he'd had more funding. In fact, I'm pretty sure he would have done just as badly if not worse. Before making the LOTR cartoon, Bakashi's biggest success was making cartoon pornography (by comparison, Jackson at least managed to make some cult films in New Zealand). There were plenty of things wrong with his film that didn't have anything to do with the rotoscoping - and as Jackson proves, you can make a film that's great visually but bad overall.
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![]() Bakshi's LotR is one of those movie you will enjoy at best (and not for any meritable reasons) but when compared to something like Watership Down it fails miserably. Watership Down now that is truly the best animated adaptation available ![]()
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I've read with great amusement some of the opinions of the animated version of LoTR.
![]() I personally thought that it was the bee's knees when I saw it as a youngster!! And I think that's the point: Bakshi's version was attempted at a time when there was nothing else comparable to the size and scope of the task that was involved. Of course, looking back there were some glaring mistakes or aspects that weren't that good - of course there were! Namely pronunciation and character depiction of Boromir and Sam. However, I take these at face value. There probably wasn't great research done before-hand on pronunciation etc, probably owing to budgetary constraints. There was, however, good emphasis placed on keeping more true to the book. Eg. Flight to the Ford, Merry's " you can trust us to stick withyou through thick and thin, to the bitter end" etc etc. BTW, Elrond was depicted a lot better too in the animation compared to PJ's version. Also, I thought the music was quite good too.
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It didn't irritate anyone that it wasn't finished?
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Although given some of the poor animating decisions made, perhaps it is just as well that he did not finish. ![]() Actually, if he did a better job with the first film he may have made enough money to fund the completion of the 2nd film.
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![]() Bakshi animated version things that went wrong
1. Sam for ovious resons 2. Boromir the Viking 3. Aragorn the red indian 4. the orcs the looked like vampire cave men gone wrong 5. all battle scenes 6. Elrond looked like he was scratching himself right through the council scene 7. crazy Gandalf 8. the way the film ends with loads of blood shooting out of an orcs chest 9. Aruman] 10. the hobbits hair cuts 11. treebeard the carrot Bakshi animated version things that went well 1. Merry 2. pippin 3. flight to the ford scene 4. galadriel 5. bilbo's party scene 6. gollum Peter Jackson version things that went well 1. sam 2. Gandalf 3. Boromir 4. Aragorn 5. the shire scenes 6. Helms deep 7. moria gate 8.treebeard 9.merry and pippin were still ok 10 Golum/smeagol 11. frodo (was good most of the time) 12 the prolouge scene Peter Jackson version things that went wrong 1. flee to the ford scene 2. arwen 3. the way towards the end of the film frodo always speaks in the same tone of voice. 4. Nazgul 5. Galadriel |
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I think I saw a different version from y'all...
the one I saw, it was sacrilege. Merry and Pippin appeared to be female. The whole thing was badly done and marketed to kids. It was awful. I only saw about 15 minutes though... I ought to rewath it before I flame it anymore ![]()
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![]() I think I'v seen it, but I think it is was in two parts, the part I saw as far as helms deep.
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![]() I saw the first one you talked about!
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![]() i've seen it, but I was 7 at the time and the Nazgul really creeped me out... so i don't remember any of it
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