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Got home early and managed to watch about half of it, and from what I saw it seemed like Kerry was pretty successful in weakening Bush's position. Perhaps not by much, but Kerry was as far as I could tell the strongest orator, he answered well and he managed to challenge Bush on the most important points while Bush fell back in defence.
Bush defended himself well enough (although he stuttered quite a lot and, compared to Kerry, often had to check his notes), but Kerry did the best job. Of course, I'm not an American so my view may not count for much. ![]()
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Two o'clock in the morning on Radio 4... to be honest, I can't say I recall much. I would have said a goal-less draw (to use a soccer term). Kerry probably had the better of Bush, but I don't think he made it stick.
I'm curious though. All I really remember was Kerry talking strongly about bilateral talks with N.Korea, which struck me as odd given his 'do not go alone' stance.
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Also - it isn't completely unfunded anyway if people fill out the forms to request the money they need I suppose. Quote:
My sister took Latin in Seymour for FOUR years, got straight A's, was on the honor roll. She tried to test out of Latin 1 in Purdue and ended up failing, she had to take Latin 1. How can a student who takes a language for FOUR years and get straight A's, possibly not be able to understand Latin 1? That's why people, particularly teachers are upset with this, because it puts pressure on inadequate teachers to actually perform and properly teach. Teachers then seem to complain about it in the classrooms, hoping to influence their students and then the students can go home and influence their parents into thinking that "No Child Left Behind" is crap.
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Most people don't even know anything about "No Child Left Behind" because they've never gone in to look at it for themselves. They've never gone in and checked to see if it will make their state's education better. They've never gone in to see if the complaints by teachers are valid or not. In my opinion - the teachers complaints are no more valid than when they complained about having to be tested every so many years.
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Because the current VP is their former CEO perhaps? Might have something to do with it. Oh and dont forget the chairs for Cheneys oil buddies and wall street fat cats too so they can make more environmental and energy policy.
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Unlike to "he's a flip-flopper", which is something a PhD in Political Economy would say.
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![]() As for flip-flopper, it describes what Kerry has done throughout his campaign. Depending on who he's talking to - that's how he feels. One minute he's saying he supported the war, the next minute he doesn't. The greatest thing I think was "was the war worth it?" question - which he answered - "I guess that would depend on the outcome." That's a good answer there. Only 2-3 months ago Kerry said that knowing everything he knows now he would have still have voted for war.
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I find it interesting to contrast the experiences of certain voters of a non-white persuasion who are denied a vote because of their criminal record, with those of Halliburton, who get caught with their hands in the till yet get to keep their job!
Anyhoo, there are two issues here: one is the underhand way the contracts were awarded without a tender process (which is illegal in the UK, for example); the other is the far bigger one of who is really running the Bush administration. Now, let's see:: - Vice President is former CEO of a company that makes money out of rebuilding war-torn countries - VP is still receiving an income from said company - VP's administration starts a war on a false pretext - VP's administration hands multi billion dollar contracts to said company behind closed doors prior to the war starting I appreciate that lots of people disagree with the "false pretext" statement above, but can you not understand why, for many people, this stinks to high heaven? Personally, I can't believe that they have got away with it. |
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Even during the debate Kerry went back and forth - one minute he's saying that he wouldn't be tied down by the world when making decisions in regards to national security - then he says that decisions have to pass a "global test". So I want to know - which countries he thinks have to agree with it, does that just include their government - or does that include their citizens, and so forth. I'm not basing my vote on whether the debate was good or bad - I'm basing it on who I agree with more on the fight against terrorism. I agree with Bush more. You're not from the US - so I would like to know how many US Presidental Campaign advertisements you get in Britain. Yet you have this attitude like you know EVERYTHING that goes on here. ![]()
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