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09-04-2004, 06:08 PM | #61 |
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hmm i actually agree with JD in this topic.
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09-05-2004, 01:26 AM | #62 |
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Whew - targeting a school where there's lots of kids - really sick. Poor Russians
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09-05-2004, 04:48 AM | #63 |
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09-05-2004, 06:03 AM | #64 |
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I do not buy the 'Russian Government is to blame' argument. Vladimir Putin was elected on the promise to end the Chechen problem, using force if neccessary. Therefore how can you blame the Government for giving the people what they want? If anything, blame the Russian people (not that I do).
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09-05-2004, 08:40 AM | #65 |
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Well, I partly agree with Grey_Wolf when he says that the Russian government is the root of this conflict. And that is NOT the same as saying "they deserved it"! BUT, they have been leading a cruel war against Checknya. How many children have been killed in that war? I don't think Al Qaida would have been so present in Checknya without this war.
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09-05-2004, 01:48 PM | #69 |
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No this is a interesting discussion.
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09-06-2004, 01:51 AM | #71 | |
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09-06-2004, 02:16 AM | #72 |
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If everywhere did that then countries would either not exist or they would be the size of cities.
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09-06-2004, 04:20 AM | #73 |
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Not Really. Chechnya is not an area populated by Russians, that just want to be seperated from Russia. It's a nation/folk/people or whatever it is in English, that has different culture, history, religion, language, etc. They were recognized as distinct people since the 17th century (or so 3 encyclopedias said, but they probably copy each other ), and fight the Russian many times in past, and tried to be free. It's suddenly 10 years ago that they decided to break off Russia.
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09-06-2004, 11:25 AM | #74 |
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But still just because they are different from the Russians they can't just decide to leave Russia.
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09-06-2004, 12:05 PM | #75 |
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Why can't they? It's like the Empires in Europe 200 years ago - they rule other nations, which are now free independence countries - Greece, Serbia, Poland, etc. I think they should've gave Chechnya to the Chechens long time ago, but I also think that now Russia can't really give them their own country - of a principal not to give terror what it wants, which only strengthen it and encourage it.
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09-06-2004, 12:15 PM | #76 |
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It's part of Russia, why should Russia just allow them to leave.
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09-06-2004, 12:52 PM | #77 | |
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If they're different, they'd obviously want to have their own land, with their own government, language, rules, etc. Russia didn't just allow them, and see what happens? Was it worth the land, that wouldn't otherwise affect any other Russian citizern? I don't think so. You might think it does. |
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09-06-2004, 01:47 PM | #78 |
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Well, Wales is happy to be ruled by the English priminister, aren't they. Anyway even if they did deserve to leave Russia, they don't anymore. The terrorism just makes matters worse for themselves.
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09-06-2004, 01:53 PM | #79 | |
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As I said in a post some time ago, I do agree that now they shouldn't get independence. |
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09-06-2004, 01:54 PM | #80 |
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They have to agree with the Russians first though, surely.
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