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10-15-2001, 09:15 AM | #21 | |
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10-15-2001, 08:42 PM | #23 |
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As to the initial question, the balrogs (and morgoth) didn't use spells because it wasn't nescessary. Most magic in tolkien isn't the type that can blow your enemies away (unless you're manwe ). They had flaming swords, and superhuman strength, speed, and endurance versus elves with sharp swords and good spped and endurance.
PS... grond wasn't a hammer, was it? I thought the sil said it was a mace? Last edited by Wayfarer : 10-15-2001 at 08:45 PM. |
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Grond was a mace of Morgoth, but Sauron later named his battering ram after it. |
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Well the orcs of Sauron in the third age, named their ram Grond also.
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Does anybody know if Tolkiens use of magic was deliberate, and what his views on it was? I believe he wanted to be original and different, like his elves and his dragons instead of the 'magic and fireballs every five minutes' style so waywarer you are correct. |
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10-16-2001, 04:12 PM | #29 |
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Yes, Grond was called the hammer of the underworld. But it was described as a mace.
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10-16-2001, 06:15 PM | #31 |
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I think it was in the back, in the names reference? Try there.
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I have a memory ( though it could be false) about Grond being a mace.
Maybe I'm confusing it with the Lord of the Nazgul. Didn't he wield a mace?
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10-16-2001, 09:36 PM | #35 |
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Yes, the Witch-king used a mace when he fought Éowyn.
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Wow!
How many Balrogs fought Fingon?
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In my opinion, no one knows, since Tolkien never wrote any detailed narratives with the 'LR Balrogs' in them. In the published Silmarillion, Fingon fought Gothmog. While other Balrogs came up from behind and cast their thongs of fire about the Noldorin King, Gothmog hewed his head off with his axe. I don't know about beating him into the dust with maces.
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There were two Balrogs that fought Fingon, and I don't think they chopped off his head exactly. Here is the passage: "But now in the western battle Fingon and Turgon were assailed by a tide of foes thrice greater then all of the forces that were left to them. Gothmog,, Lord of Balrogs, High Captian of Angband was come; and he drove a dark wedge between the Elven hosts, surrounding King Fingon, and thrusting Turgon and Hurin aside toward the Fen of Serech. Then he turned upon Fingon. That was a grim meeting. At last Fingon stood alone with his guard dead about him; and he fought with Gothmog, until another Balrog came behind and cast a thong of fire about him. Then Gothmog hewed him with his black axe, and a white flame sprang up out of the helm of Fingon as it was cloven. Thus fell the High King of the Noldor; and they beat him into the dust with their maces, and his banner, blue and silver, they trod into the mire of his blood." (The Silmarillion- Chapter 20-Of The Fifth Battle-Nirnaeth Arnoediad)
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But here are maces and an axe. Perhaps this is one of the differences that Balrogs underwent in Tokien´s writings. Last edited by Kirinki54 : 10-17-2001 at 03:57 AM. |
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The later Grond was far from a mace or hammer, it consisted of an enormous battering ram wrought in black steel and suspended on chains between a construction of huge girders. (The girders are my own speculation; the text doesn´t say so.) Last edited by Kirinki54 : 10-17-2001 at 03:57 AM. |
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