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In response to the very first post (since I haven't read all the rest yet and this is my first reply here), that's a ridicualous story. You know how many Americans have flags flying from their car windows or antenna, or flag stickers on their car windows or bumpers, or paint jobs, or spare tire casings? Holding this against Canada would be hypocritical.
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Also - it was because of them that I started seeing how Europe in general acted toward the US - before that I had wanted to live in England. So - before that - I loved England as much as the US. That is one of the reasons why I studied British History so much and did not study nor care about American history. Now - I concentrate on American Revolutionary history instead.
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As well, you state that these people didn't know you well enough to know what your reaction would be. So by the counter, surely you didn't know them well enough to know what they meant, and the spirit in which they meant it. But on a bigger point, are you really suggesting that you base your views on 'Europe' as a whole by a few business meetings? Or even on a couple of trips? I think, again what sun-star said Quote:
JD, I really don't deny that you may have been upset, and so much so that it has changed your attitude and view. I think that this is a great pity. I also would state that if rudeness were intended then that is not acceptable, and I am 100% with you on this. I can empathise with your feelings, and I can understand why you would be angry, too. But now I'd ask one thing. This is a general observation/question, not just aimed at you, JD. If there is a division between 'Europe' and the US, is it a good thing to perpetuate and propagate it? Last edited by Hemel : 12-20-2003 at 07:49 AM. |
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As of this post - I'm tired of talking to you about this. As I said - you were not there,, you do not know how many Europeans I have come into contact with. I have been to England, had many personal contacts with various europeans. So how many times have you been to America? By the way - this thread is very calm - you should see the many deragtory things that was said about our patriotism in the past by Europeans on this board. Many of them are no longer here. You have been here 6 months - I have been here 2 years. The anti-Americanism has calmed down. But do a search on the past threads. It might enlighten you to the European attitude.
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Of course, that's not the first thing(s) that spring(s) to my mind.
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I'm not sure what the actual percentage is - I have heard everything from 40% - 60%. I know that Americans weigh too much and children seem to be fatter. But actually - there was a report out this summer that said that Europeans are only slighly behind us in weight. This is how the weight of people is determined - Quote:
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By the way - I blame a lot of the weight gain of Americans on the health care providers who told people to eat pasta and stuff. It is full of carbohydrates that the body stores as fat. People should just eat a varied diet and watch what they eat.
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What about if an American was eating with you and said British food was crap and your country was backward. This was basically said to me - now would you take it as an offense - or would you say "oh well, it must be my fault, I just took it wrong."? Or maybe - as I have heard people say "Maybe they're right". Quote:
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Maybe if Europe accepted that we have self interests, that our presidents do NOT work for them, but the American people, that our culture is just as good as theirs, etc - maybe THEN the ties between Americans and Europeans will be healed. As of right now - I am personally very tired of seeing demonstration after demonstration in Europe against our country - and it was WAY before Iraq. So the demonstrations have nothing to do with Iraq. They have to do with the fact that Europeans think that America should only do Europe's bidding.
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When the maginician guy suspended himself over the Thames - one Briton said "we don't really care, we're above this showmanship that Americans seem so fond of." It's that attitude I have heard too often from Europeans "above this showmanship that Americans seem so fond of." That sentence alone indicates a superior attitude over America. And that I found not be that unusual in England. I never thought America was better than any other country - but I have been, especially over the last two years, tired of so many people acting as if Europe is superior to the US and that we should do things like Europe. This is a very quiet thread about patriotism compared to the discussions and accusations about our patriotism last year.
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I read that poll, and it seems like many Britans think that they can learn something from America - which does not seem like putting themselves above Americans.
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However, Americans do marginalize Europe in the same way. They say that all our objections to them are based on jealousy, for example, or that we haven't got over not being colonial powers anymore, or that we're all cowards. They make geographical comparisons or remind us that they saved us in WW2. As for marginalizing the American Revolution, that's impossible for me at least because most of the Americans I've met greet me with "So you're British. Hey, we really beat you good in the Revolution, didn't we!" These are all ways in which Americans say they are superior to Europe. Probably some of it is a rearguard action against European prejudice; but it goes both ways. And we don't like it any more than you do. It's all unnecessary.
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