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By the way Elvellon - I said I agreed with what you said in the beginning.
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Britain created Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, all these countries Britain or another European country (mostly France) created duing the 1910's and later. The Eropean powers gave no thought to how they created the countries and the different tribal groups that don't get along. That is when we started our disagreement. What I stated is historically accurate - whether you want to accept it or not. This is another thing I said before.. which I have since repeated. You stated that the US economy would be hurt by the unstable democracies and countries that are only developing capitalism - but you still have not stated which of these are powerful enough to hurt the US economy if they fall. Quote:
I will state this again - Americans are quickly becoming tired of the NEGATIVE rants coming from Europe and the anti-american comments from Europe that many peeople - and the number is growing - think that the US should pull out of the UN and pull our troops out of various places. Do I think we should pulll out of Iraq right now? NO I do not. It's in our best interest to be there. But we should pull our trooops out of europe - no matter what problems it causes with their local economies. Russia is no longer a threat and Germany has made their contempt for America very clear - if you deny THAT statement - look at what Schroeder has said about us and the fact that one of the main things he was voted in on was his anti--American rhetoric.
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09-01-2003, 04:17 PM | #44 | |
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09-01-2003, 07:58 PM | #45 | |
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Kyoto, for instance; the issue affects all of us, and people speak about it. The same with the UN and the Gulf War 2. Then there is the constant issue of American Capitalism vs. the European Capitalism (that some there, funnily enough, call Socialism). It bothers many to see the attacks at the European traditional system from within AND from without, and it is felt as an intromission, one that may cost what is viewed as social rights. But again, those issues are not with the US people, but with those in power, and with particular worldviews (that actually are not exclusive from this or that side of the ocean). If you have doubts consider this; why so many European politicians felt confident in siding with the US? (This was not an issue of “old” vs. “new” Europe, as some said, there is nothing new about, Italy, Spain, Britain or Portugal and those governments sided with the US government), If it was a deep hatred/resentment/whatever, of the people, you may rest assured they wouldn’t have risked it, we aren’t the Middle East. But they know the problem is with issues; those come and go, while the alliance and friendship remains. Neither do you see any boycott to the US products (or even any real thought of it). That is not for fear of economical reprisals, as some may say, for it would likely be something instinctive, not coordinated, at least at start. People would avoid things from there on their own, based on their own dislike, well before becoming aware of everyone doing it. People would not pause to think, “If I don’t by this Pepsi the Americans may not buy my wine.” There is none, for it is not America or the Americans that people dislike.
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As for Gulf War - most of Europe chose not to support us - that was their decision - but Chirac went out of his way to block us. It was in the US's best interest to take direct action in Iraq and in the Middle East - you can either support us or not hinder us. What we are doing now in Iraq - should have been done in 1991 whether you agree or not. Quote:
We don't care really that you have socialist programs but it's also none of your business if we have the death penalty or not - but we see plenty of demonstrations in Europe when someone is going to be executed. How many demonstrations in America do you see comlaining about the internal affairs of Europe? Quote:
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09-01-2003, 08:51 PM | #48 | |
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Just for the record, I did not vote for GW Bush, and I can't wait until I can cast my vote again against him. Gore would have made a much better president, IMO. He is far more articulate and intelligent. (Ok, go ahead JD, rip into me... you Bush-lovin' repubican. ) |
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09-01-2003, 09:04 PM | #49 | |
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If Clinton had followed through on some actions - instead of listening to world opiniojn all the time - we might have been able to get Osama bin Ladin before 9/11. The world and some Americans complained when we started going after Al Qaeda when they bombed our emabassies saying "He's only a guy in a cave - what can he do to you?" Well we should have continued with the military action against him. Clinton ran his presidency on opinion polls and if they didn't go a certain way he pulled out. Clinton was not a leader who made DECISIVE descisions. Gore would have been the same way - and he would not have had the international experts on his cabinet - like Condioeeza Rice and Colin Powell. I will again vote for Bush - but chances are New Jersey will probably vote democratic - just like Texas will probably vote for Bush. By the way - I wish Colin Powell (even though he supports affirmative action) or Condoleeza Rice would run for President. I had wanted John McCain for President in 2000.
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09-01-2003, 10:32 PM | #52 |
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I am a democrat, and I'll vote for Bush again. Gore was brain dead IMO.
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Oh and actually - Bush got better grades in college than Gore did.
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09-01-2003, 11:59 PM | #55 |
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oh my god are we actually trying to make the argument here that Bush intellectually is better then Gore? Hey if i had taken Frat 101 I would have gotten an A too. Its a joke to even compare Bushes intellect to Gores (or so many other politicians). But then I guess its better to try to argue that hes actually smart then the usual republican argument of "hey for an idiot hes a pretty good president you know" which ive never understood.
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Gore is a good politician - I'll give you that. Giving people what they want to hear and saying all the right things and covering it up with a convincing smile.
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09-02-2003, 01:46 PM | #60 |
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Does the president's intelligence really have anything to do with what would happen if America became an isolationist country?
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