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12-31-2003, 11:09 AM | #1 |
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Who Owns the Threads?
This is a Thread about Threads:
What is proper Entmoot protocol about 'ownership' or 'control' or threads? Of course, administrators and moderators have ultimate control to rein things in when necessary, but otherwise: 1. Does the 'thread-starter' have control over the thread they create - such that it's like: "This is MY thread so we'll talk about what I want to talk about!!!" OR 2. Does a thread sort of take on a life of it's own and everything is fair game - just so it either continues along the initial lines of the thread - or if it naturally shifts into a tangential line of discussion? Kind of like when a conversation is started. Or is it just considered unofficial 'moot courtesy' that a thread-starter be given a little leeway to take some control of the evolution of a thread? And what does it really mean if I tell Afro-Elf, "Nice threads!!"? Does this thread belong to me or to you ? Last edited by Valandil : 12-31-2003 at 11:10 AM. |
12-31-2003, 12:00 PM | #2 |
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Threads belong to the starter in as far as they can moderate their own thread and tell people to get back on topic and so forth and control the discussion. It's only if the person wants to take that responsibilty though, otherwise the threads take on a complete life of their own.
I choose to consider threads I start as being mine - and if I feel that they are going off topic from what they were meant to discuss - I will tell people to get back on topic or that something is off topic and that I don't want that discussed in my thread - create a new one.
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12-31-2003, 12:59 PM | #3 |
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For some reason, this made me think of...
Lord of the Threads "In Eregion long ago many Elven-posts were made, in-depht posts as you call them, and they were, of course, of various kinds: some more potent and some less. The lesser posts were only essays in the writing before it was full-grown, and to the Elven-posters but trifles - yet still to my mind dangerous to the readers. But the Great Posts, the Posts of Power, they were perilious. A reader, Frodo, who reads one of the Great Posts, does not die, but he does not grow or obtain more life, he merely continues, until at last every minute is a weariness." Sorry, a bit off-topic here...
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I thought it was funny anyway... and this IS a 'thread about threads' - in a more general sense. |
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...and with this encouragement, Falagar wrote on:
"'Let the Thread be your weapon, if it has such power as you say. Read it and go forth in victory!' 'Alas, no,' said Delron 'We cannot read the Ruler-Thread. That we now know too well. It belongs to Sauron and was written by him alone, and is altogether evil. Its writing, Boringmir, is too small for anyone to read at will, save only those who already are very small.' I fear to take the Thread to hide it. I will not take the Thread to read it.' Then in Ongdor we must trust to such pens, scissors and papers as we have.'" I'll stop now.
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What then? Shall I take this Thread unto myself? Exert my own will and claim it as my own? |
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12-31-2003, 07:46 PM | #8 |
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I enjoy hijacking threads. Beware of seemingly innocent thread drift......
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There is no entmoot rule that says threads belong to starter of topic, JD. (maybe there should be - it is useful to have thread starter moderate own topic. I don't believe there is a rule that says what JD and SGH have just stated - correct me if I'm wrong).
If you want to sort of moderate the topic you may, thats fine. But it is the job of entmoot's moderators to moderate topics. As curtosy to the thread starter, you should do what topic starter is asking if it is things like "stay on topic." We've had run-ins with "who owns topic" stuff before (that silly story, what was it called?), where a bunch of people posted a topic from entmoot on another site saying that they owned it - several entmoot admins disagreed (mostly tater). Technically bmilder owns all of the board - he owns the threads. Who knows who the contents of the threads belong to - I say me
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01-01-2004, 12:42 AM | #10 |
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Who owns the threads? That would be me, the DRAGONQUEEN!!!!
I rule ALL the threads! BUWAHAHAHA!!!!
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No, no, no! If I want a thread....I will take it! Threads! Come to mama!
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take a chill pill dude :P
And no, there was more to it than just aldesign. This was the underlying issue - it just made it worse that aldesign made the site. Or maybe both equally, who knows. It wasn't just that though.
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If you don't mind me asking, why was it a problem that aldesign made the website? I remember both the FotMB and the debate, but I hadn't realized that it being aldesign behind it sparked some of that trouble.
Perhaps it was something I missed then in my newbiedom. For the sake of research, whatever happened to the debate thread about the use of Moot content? I remember it as quite . . . . lively . . . perhaps spoken kindly, that is. I know I think of some of the threads I start as 'mine.' For instance, long after I'd abandoned YKYLTTMW to the people who had inspiration left (and were funnier than me anyways), I'd look fondly back at it, growing to some ungodly length, and I'd say, "It's mine . . . my precious . . . ." Of course, seeing as it was very early in my Mooting career, that was a big achievment. Now I rarely start threads, though. Partly that's because I don't want the seeming responsibility for it if it goes awry, or if it dies and serves to only be a cluttering byte weighting down Ben's website. It depends on the Mooter, though- I'm sure plenty of us look upon our own threads with dispassionate eyes and expressions that bear no recognition. But is a conversation ever the property of the one who began it? Can you really hold it in your hand and claim it for your own? That's what a thread is; a conversation. For me, all sense of ownership is merely my pride showing itself.
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I understand tater being pissed off at aldesign since tater had done the tolkien trail - aldesign took it upon himself to redesign tolkien trail and then said - "here is a better design if you want to use it". That ticked off tater and ever since that time tater was pissed at him - which I would be too. i just don't think i would hold as severe a grudge - especially since aldesign apologized publicly on the board even. Quote:
I don't think it's owning the conversation - but it does depend on the thread. For instance - if it's a debate thread - then the thread starter has more of a role in moderating it and keeping it on topic. But I don't think anyone owns mine or anyone else's ideas. If you state something - you own it. The argument over Fellowship of the Messageboard was that it was a collaborative effort and developed into an ongoing story. Entmoot felt that since it was posted on entmoot - that it was their story - and not the respective posters. They did not want us to use it, or host it outside of entmoot. Then an agreement was reached on how to host it to make everyone happy - therefore I host the site, although Aldesign created it.
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Really. When are you all going to learn that JD doesn't give a rat's behind and that generally when he sounds mad he's actually quite calm and just stating exactly what he feels?
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Errr sorry. What I was GOING to say was that you're a mean and evil old man who lives in a dark corner of the world waiting for young children to walk past so you can eat them for lunch.
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