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Social responsibility
This grew out of the 10% taxes thread.
What is our social responsibilty? Is it right that the wealthy should be taxed more? i.e. should they pay a higher percentage? Is someone responisble if others make unwise choices? Is there too much welfare in this country ( USA) Does welfare keep people slaves? "Massa gonna take care us" Is it the fault of the parents that their kids do not value education? Are we are brother's keepers? Feel free to add to this this questions or answer them.
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percentage? I will edit the orginal post. If you are saying that the % should be same understand. BUT, if you are saying just because they have more they should pay a higher %, why?
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. Last edited by afro-elf : 11-14-2003 at 02:10 AM. |
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11-14-2003, 11:57 AM | #4 |
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A.E. once again ignites the torch of dialogue.
The top 5% of "rich people" pay more than 30% of the total taxes in this country.....or more than their share.
Each wage bracket pays its fare share and no one should be penalized because they have succeeded in this economy. If responsibility was taken by those who initiate actions and the feel good "it's not your fault" mantra of the liberal educational system were changed, we'd all benefit. Yes, there is too much welfare in this country. It has become a way of life not a way off poverty and onto a more productive lifestyle as it originally was intended. yessum, dems people who loves massa takin care o dem Parents must take some responsibility for their childrens attitudes and values. Otherwise they might as well leave them in a cave at birth and join the animal kingdom. He is too heavy and I ain't carryin him!
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Afro-Elf: you start some of the coolest thought-provoking threads around here!
Just hope people don't start out-and-out fighting in here too! I'll turn all this over in my head and come back later - when I can really do justice to a reply. |
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11-14-2003, 02:25 PM | #9 |
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Is it right that the wealthy should be taxed more? i.e. should they pay a higher percentage?
i believe that society as a whole is better off if the poor are taken care of... percentages are hard to nail, but i would say any family or individual who is "just getting by" should not have to pay taxes... anyone below that level should be helped out... who pays for it? it would seem to be much more fair in my eyes that the better off shoulder more of the burden, because they can with much less personal sacrifice Is someone responisble if others make unwise choices? no Is there too much welfare in this country (USA) no... it's implementation needs work but i agree with the general idea Does welfare keep people slaves? "Massa gonna take care us" again it matters how it's implemented... i think welfare should come with responsibilities (i.e. instead of giving a mother with three kids money and a house, give her the option of earning these things through state-sponsored employment... child care would be provided - which would give someone else a job) Is it the fault of the parents that their kids do not value education? yes... parents have more to do with how a child turns out than any other influence... by a huge amount Are we are brother's keepers? we should be... happiness and prosperity go hand in hand... the social problems which effect all of us, while not exclusively related to poverty, have more to with it than anything else Last edited by brownjenkins : 11-14-2003 at 02:39 PM. |
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Does anyone really think that anyone can make a living out of minimum wage? That's $5.15/hr. IF the employer is kind enough to give the employee 40 hours per week, that's $206/week (without taxes), and ~$892/month (no taxes removed). Most employers will keep the hours to 30 to 35 hours so that the employee never gets full-time status and never gets benefits. Who do you think picks up the slack so you can have a cheap burger and fries? Well, you do. How? Through your taxes. See? The employees of, say McDonald's, might have families. If they do, they qualify for Food Stamps and Medicaid for the kids. So, basically, your taxes are going to support these low wage companies who exploit the unskilled labor market, and pocket the billions they make in profit. That's quite ingeneous if you ask me. <-- sarcasm |
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It's all well in good to say - sock it to the rich. But you know - more rich people do things then people give them credit for. It's no one else's money. It's NOT the governments - it's not societies. They worked for it. I'm sorry if not everyone can jet set off to the french riveria - but I want to WORK for it. I do not begrudge those people for being able to do that. Hopefully one day I will be there. It may not look too promising right now - but I can still try work toward that. Liberals would have me work for it - then have me give all my money away because he doesn't think I deserve it. That's bull. I worked for it and I will fight to keep it. Do people who think that the rich should pay more - not take any deductions on their tax return - even when they are eligible for them? Or do you take as many deductions as you possibly can? Quote:
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How much am I willing to pay for a hamburger? I just bought a hamburger Tuesday and paid $7. I think that's fair. I think your plans are honorable, to give back to the community. And I feel more people should do something like that. I don't want to take all your money away once you've earned it. You are mistaken, but I think if you become rich, you should be paying the same percentage of your income as me. |
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IR had a problem with people painting welfare people with the "negative" brush - well I see a lot of people just painting rich people with the same "negative" brush. Rich people are just money hungry snobbish people who don't deserve what they have - that's what I hear him saying. And this was just on the news on News 12 new Jersey tonight. It is required that people who get federal housing assistance need to do community service - otherwise they will be evicted from their public housing (This only applies to those people 18 years old or over, not going to college and able bodied . Only 75% came out for the job thing (guaranteed community job). 300 people are about to be evicted. You know who much time they have to give to the community for their subsudized housing? 4 hours once a month. I see absolutely no problem with this. This one woman who was interviewed was getting out of a car - she was yelling at the reporter how she couldn't work and she thought it was unfair - she has a bad hip. She seemed to get out of the car fine though - no help from anyone else. Also - if she is truly disabled - all she needs is a doctors excuse.
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Another reason NJ is so expensive is because it is right in the middle of the northeast corridor. From central NJ - Washington is 5 hours south and boston is hours north (3 hours by Acela high speed train - in either direction). Philadelphia is one hour south and NY is one hour north from central NJ.
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