Rumors of RotK...

Dúnedain · 09-30-2003, 02:52 AM

I heard that they made it 4 hours long with an intermission. Has anyone else heard this as well?

smaug_the_magnificent · 09-30-2003, 03:35 AM

AICN are reporting (from a pretty good source) that the theatrical cut will definitely be 3 and a half hours duration

I find the 4 hours (with intermission) rumour a little dubious, but certainly I won't mind if this is the case.. It will no doubt add to the grandiose nature & aura of the film! Whether intermissions are a commercial reality in today's time is far from certain but if they were to have this situation, doubtless film 3 of the greatest story ever told could be the only one to get away with it!

Personally, I'd be very happy with three and a half hours... To put it into context, that's essentially the length of the EE of Film One.. If it were 3 hours (as the theatrical cuts have hitherto been) then I'd be somewhat worried - a lot of material would then need to be compromised, and the editing would likely suffer the same ill fate of The Two Towers

However three and a half for the theatrical cut is very encouraging - go through yourself what we know PJ will include in the RotK and I think you'll find that such a running time will satisfy the amount of content required and more importantly, allow it to extrapolate at a reasonable pace

Black Breathalizer · 09-30-2003, 09:07 AM

While the spy report said 3 1/2 hours, I think it is still too early to say with total certainty that this will definitely be the running time. PJ and the editors are still hard at work.

I suspect that this will be a major debate between PJ and New Line who share final cut authority.

Dúnedain · 09-30-2003, 11:54 AM

Also, if the film length is extended in time, do you think the Scouring of the Shire will be put back in?

Sween · 09-30-2003, 12:21 PM

How long is that gonna make the extended eddition?

The Gaffer · 09-30-2003, 12:27 PM

I saw a report on another board that there was going to be an intermission. Could just be the same bogus rumour recirculating.

It's hard to imagine cinemas would be up for it; presumably they'd have to sacrifice one screening per day. Punters like me would appreciate not having to wear a catheter so as not to miss anything.

Black Breathalizer · 09-30-2003, 01:35 PM

Scouring of the Shire in? No.

I recall reading an interview with Peter Jackson where he mentioned all the rumors surrounding the length of the first two films and insider reports on the 'official' length. He said he found them hilarious because in both cases, the length of the final film was never determined until right before he needed to send the completed film off to New Line.

***azalea*** · 09-30-2003, 02:10 PM

I agree, Gaffer!

I think theaters wouldn't mind an intermission, because that would mean more concession sales, which brings in more money for the theater than ticket sales. Besides, a 15 minute intermission isn't going to cut out that many extra showings of a movie that long, esp. considering that all the new megaplexes show it on about 4 different screens all day every day for the first week anyway.

hectorberlioz · 09-30-2003, 02:11 PM

does that mean that rotk wont be four hours long? darn!

Evenstar1400 · 09-30-2003, 05:02 PM

my only suggestion is if there isnt an intermission.... dont drink too much water or soda. then youll be in a real fix!

Black Breathalizer · 09-30-2003, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Evenstar1400
my only suggestion is if there isnt an intermission.... dont drink too much water or soda. then youll be in a real fix!

ROTK may spur a big increase in sales for Depends adult diapers.

Gamigar · 09-30-2003, 07:16 PM

I think that there will be an intermission, I mean, there was one in gods and generals.

smaug_the_magnificent · 09-30-2003, 09:37 PM

Yes, it is true BB, that New Line have the final word on running time...

However, I think it's fair to say, on October 1st 2003, that PJ has a fair idea of how long the film is going to be.. notwithstanding, according to the director at least, he's been able to get his way hitherto vis-a-vis the film's length (so much for New Line's initial 2 and a 1/2 hour cap!)

The AICN spy reporter is *apparently* a close associate of Phillipa Boyens and she was able to, at this late stage, disclose a ball-park figure of 3 and a 1/2 hours..

To me, that seems right on the money

Elvengirl · 09-30-2003, 11:18 PM

The longer, the better, but there will still be scenes left out, which should be in, i.e. the scouring of the shire.

I thought PJ HAD to make the films just 3 hours for the theaters. It couldn't be over that time, otherwise he would have just kept in the scenes that were then put in the EE. I'm not sure, thats just what I heard. It is a bit too early to tell and it could be a rumor, but I'd like a four hour ROTK.

The Gaffer · 10-01-2003, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
ROTK may spur a big increase in sales for Depends adult diapers.

Heh heh. Maybe this will be good for the merchandising. Bag of popcorn, litre of coke and some "Anduril"rubber pants, please.

Evenstar1400 · 10-01-2003, 06:46 PM

or there could be bathrooms inside the theater w/ little screens in the stalls so u can still watch the movie.....

that would be hillarious

viggosbeard · 10-02-2003, 03:40 AM

dont know if anyone is associated with cinemas and can put me right, but I had heard ( from fat guy down the pub ) that they object to lengthy movies as they cannot fit as many showings during the day, and additional confectionary sales does not make up for the shortfall.

Dúnedain · 10-02-2003, 07:16 PM

Anyone know of some good rumors sites so that maybe we can look into this further??

***azalea*** · 10-02-2003, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by viggosbeard
dont know if anyone is associated with cinemas and can put me right, but I had heard ( from fat guy down the pub ) that they object to lengthy movies as they cannot fit as many showings during the day, and additional confectionary sales does not make up for the shortfall.

My bro worked at a theater for years, and he said that theaters get much (if not most) of their revenue through concessions, which is why they're priced so highly. That's why many theaters will offer free tickets to the last showing of a movie before it goes out of the theater -- it will bring people in, and they make money on food and drink, instead of the movie playing to an empty theater. (They only get a small % of $ from ticket sales due to cost of "buying" the movie to show, whatever the studio, distributor, etc get; popcorn and Coke are cheap, and they get all the profits)

So it depends on the length of the film -- of course they want more showings, because there would be more popcorn sold (1 1/2 hours is better than 2). But if the movie is long enough to have an intermission, people will come out to replenish the supplies. And an especially popular movie, such as Lotr, will bring in more people, which is why they show it on so many screens. I forget how we got on the subject, but frankly I doubt that what the theaters want has any bearing on the decision by New Line of the movie's running time will be. Anyway, the theaters will want to show it no matter what, because of its popularity.

Dúnedain · 10-02-2003, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by azalea
but frankly I doubt that what the theaters want has any bearing on the decision by New Line of the movie's running time will be.

Exactly! I also think that New Line would let PJ do just about anything he wants, even if it were to bump up the running time considering the mass success he has given New Line with these movies. I'm sure they are more than happy with their investment into these films...

09-30-2003, 02:52 AM	#1
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	Rumors of RotK... I heard that they made it 4 hours long with an intermission. Has anyone else heard this as well? __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

09-30-2003, 11:54 AM	#4
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	Also, if the film length is extended in time, do you think the Scouring of the Shire will be put back in? __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

09-30-2003, 12:21 PM	#5
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	How long is that gonna make the extended eddition? __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

09-30-2003, 02:11 PM	#9
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	does that mean that rotk wont be four hours long? darn! __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

09-30-2003, 05:02 PM	#10
Evenstar1400 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the inner depths of my lair. Posts: 421	my only suggestion is if there isnt an intermission.... dont drink too much water or soda. then youll be in a real fix! __________________ Treebeard: Hmm, you look like hobbits, smell like hobbits, feel like hobbits and sound like hobbits. You must be orcs!

09-30-2003, 03:35 AM	#2
smaug_the_magnificent Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sydney Posts: 28	AICN are reporting (from a pretty good source) that the theatrical cut will definitely be 3 and a half hours duration I find the 4 hours (with intermission) rumour a little dubious, but certainly I won't mind if this is the case.. It will no doubt add to the grandiose nature & aura of the film! Whether intermissions are a commercial reality in today's time is far from certain but if they were to have this situation, doubtless film 3 of the greatest story ever told could be the only one to get away with it! Personally, I'd be very happy with three and a half hours... To put it into context, that's essentially the length of the EE of Film One.. If it were 3 hours (as the theatrical cuts have hitherto been) then I'd be somewhat worried - a lot of material would then need to be compromised, and the editing would likely suffer the same ill fate of The Two Towers However three and a half for the theatrical cut is very encouraging - go through yourself what we know PJ will include in the RotK and I think you'll find that such a running time will satisfy the amount of content required and more importantly, allow it to extrapolate at a reasonable pace

09-30-2003, 09:07 AM	#3
Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	While the spy report said 3 1/2 hours, I think it is still too early to say with total certainty that this will definitely be the running time. PJ and the editors are still hard at work. I suspect that this will be a major debate between PJ and New Line who share final cut authority.

09-30-2003, 12:27 PM	#6
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	I saw a report on another board that there was going to be an intermission. Could just be the same bogus rumour recirculating. It's hard to imagine cinemas would be up for it; presumably they'd have to sacrifice one screening per day. Punters like me would appreciate not having to wear a catheter so as not to miss anything.

09-30-2003, 01:35 PM	#7
Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	Scouring of the Shire in? No. I recall reading an interview with Peter Jackson where he mentioned all the rumors surrounding the length of the first two films and insider reports on the 'official' length. He said he found them hilarious because in both cases, the length of the final film was never determined until right before he needed to send the completed film off to New Line.

09-30-2003, 02:10 PM	#8
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	I agree, Gaffer! I think theaters wouldn't mind an intermission, because that would mean more concession sales, which brings in more money for the theater than ticket sales. Besides, a 15 minute intermission isn't going to cut out that many extra showings of a movie that long, esp. considering that all the new megaplexes show it on about 4 different screens all day every day for the first week anyway.

09-30-2003, 07:16 PM	#12
Gamigar Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: somewhere between here and there Posts: 116	I think that there will be an intermission, I mean, there was one in gods and generals. __________________ The road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began Now far ahead the road has gone And I must follow if I can Pursuing it with eager feet Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet And wither then I can not say

09-30-2003, 09:37 PM	#13
smaug_the_magnificent Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sydney Posts: 28	Yes, it is true BB, that New Line have the final word on running time... However, I think it's fair to say, on October 1st 2003, that PJ has a fair idea of how long the film is going to be.. notwithstanding, according to the director at least, he's been able to get his way hitherto vis-a-vis the film's length (so much for New Line's initial 2 and a 1/2 hour cap!) The AICN spy reporter is apparently a close associate of Phillipa Boyens and she was able to, at this late stage, disclose a ball-park figure of 3 and a 1/2 hours.. To me, that seems right on the money

09-30-2003, 11:18 PM	#14
Elvengirl Mirthful Maiden Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Rivendell Posts: 1,252	The longer, the better, but there will still be scenes left out, which should be in, i.e. the scouring of the shire. I thought PJ HAD to make the films just 3 hours for the theaters. It couldn't be over that time, otherwise he would have just kept in the scenes that were then put in the EE. I'm not sure, thats just what I heard. It is a bit too early to tell and it could be a rumor, but I'd like a four hour ROTK. __________________ The Elves represent, as it were, the artistic, aesthetic, and purely scientific aspects of the Humane nature raised to a higher level than is actually seen in Men.~ J.R.R. Tolkien Wanna play? www.thievesguild.com

10-01-2003, 06:46 PM	#16
Evenstar1400 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the inner depths of my lair. Posts: 421	or there could be bathrooms inside the theater w/ little screens in the stalls so u can still watch the movie..... that would be hillarious __________________ Treebeard: Hmm, you look like hobbits, smell like hobbits, feel like hobbits and sound like hobbits. You must be orcs!

10-02-2003, 03:40 AM	#17
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	dont know if anyone is associated with cinemas and can put me right, but I had heard ( from fat guy down the pub ) that they object to lengthy movies as they cannot fit as many showings during the day, and additional confectionary sales does not make up for the shortfall. __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

10-02-2003, 07:16 PM	#18
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	Anyone know of some good rumors sites so that maybe we can look into this further?? __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

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