Smeagol

L@ur@y Elven Warrior · 01-24-2003, 02:41 PM

Smeagol is so cool with his Biig blue eyes and Gollum is so horrible he's mean i don't like him.

WallRocker · 01-24-2003, 03:12 PM

I'd agree, Smeagols awesome, Gollum's mean but this really belongs in the LotR movie section.

**Nurvingiel** · 01-24-2003, 03:35 PM

Well, this should only be in the movie section if we're talking about Smeagol.Gollum in the context of the movie.

Because we could talk about book-Gollum and it would be all good. Of course, if you're using the movie's description, then you've kinda tipped the balance.

I like Gollum, in the book, quite a bit - even evil Gollum.

I also like the movie's interpretation of his character, so I'm prepared to talk about either.

Elf Girl · 01-24-2003, 03:46 PM

Smeagol is very touching. He really was good, once. In my opinion he is the best example of the evil-ness of the Ring.

L@ur@y Elven Warrior · 01-24-2003, 03:46 PM

Yeah my sister Kiwi said that Gollum is different in the books than the movie. I haven't read all the yet I've just started FoTR because I just got the books for chirstmas.

***azalea*** · 01-24-2003, 03:50 PM

This thread needs to be about Gollum in the book if it is to stay in the book forum. If it is to be about the movie, I will move it to the movie forum.

L@ur@y Elven Warrior · 01-24-2003, 03:57 PM

Gollum is strange in the book but even stranger in the movie.

Dúnedain · 01-24-2003, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elf Girl
Smeagol is very touching. He really was good, once. In my opinion he is the best example of the evil-ness of the Ring.

I totally agree with this, and I think Tolkien even hints at this as well when Gandalf was speaking of Smeagol's life....

Quote:

Originally posted by L@ur@y Elven Warrior
Yeah my sister Kiwi said that Gollum is different in the books than the movie. I haven't read all the yet I've just started FoTR because I just got the books for chirstmas.

I totally disagree, I felt the movie was pretty dead on with how I read the character Gollum in the book....

Curunír · 01-25-2003, 03:25 PM

Gollum is my precious.

Sméagol too.

You are not my precious.

Gollum is.

yeah.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-25-2003, 03:31 PM

Gollum seemed to me to be pretty accurately portrayed. His skin was the wrong color, and Slinker didn't light his eyes green, but that's about all I can think of.

durin's bane · 01-25-2003, 06:08 PM

Smeagol is pretty cool, and I thought he had really changed, but his old self gained control, and that nearly cost Sam and Frodo their lives. I've never really liked Gollum, but I pitied and even had had a glimmer of like for Smeagol.

samwise of the shire · 01-28-2003, 04:26 PM

I think Dunedain that L@ur@y Elven Warrior was talking about his face and physical traits. Like I seem to remember reading in FOTR that Gollum had webbed feet...like a swans, and Gwaimer is right about the green light. But if you looked close enough when Faramir is talking to Gollum in Henneth Anun and he says "Because he took my...PRECIOUSS" there is DEFINITELY a gleam there if only a pale blue one.
I found that the book Gollum was less pitiable and sad than the movie Gollum. I couldn't imagine him as wretched because all of the LOTR baddies have rather charismatic personalities and strong will powers, while Gollum is weak. I felt no pity for Gollum because I hadn't seen him...but now he's a truely pathetic creature for me to imagine.
Welcome to the Entmoot L@ur@y Elven Warrior. You'll enjoy it here.
Cheers,
Sam

RosieCotton · 01-28-2003, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by samwise of the shire
I think Dunedain that L@ur@y Elven Warrior was talking about his face and physical traits. Like I seem to remember reading in FOTR that Gollum had webbed feet...like a swans, and Gwaimer is right about the green light. But if you looked close enough when Faramir is talking to Gollum in Henneth Anun and he says "Because he took my...PRECIOUSS" there is DEFINITELY a gleam there if only a pale blue one.
I found that the book Gollum was less pitiable and sad than the movie Gollum. I couldn't imagine him as wretched because all of the LOTR baddies have rather charismatic personalities and strong will powers, while Gollum is weak. I felt no pity for Gollum because I hadn't seen him...but now he's a truely pathetic creature for me to imagine.
Welcome to the Entmoot L@ur@y Elven Warrior. You'll enjoy it here.
Cheers,
Sam

I have to agree. I always hated Gollum in the books, but once you see him its almost impossible not to feel bad. I also noticed the gleam in his eyes there. It is soon after this that Gollum wins over Smeagol again and there is the forshadowing of Shelob. I think that Gollum is one of the most well done characters in the book and the movie.
Rosie

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-28-2003, 05:21 PM

Except that I accidentally said Slinker instead of Stinker.

Yup, picked the right title!

Guardian_of_the_Forest · 02-02-2003, 10:31 PM

Gollum wasn't exactly what I pictured him to be.

Narsil's Master · 02-03-2003, 07:22 PM

i think smeagol is cool and its hilarious how he constantly argues with himself

ArwenEvenstar · 02-03-2003, 07:33 PM

me and my best friend can do a perfect impression when he's going "he's gone! He's left us!"

lol he's a scitzo(sp???)

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-03-2003, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Narsil's Master
i think smeagol is cool and its hilarious how he constantly argues with himself

You find the torment and mental anguish of a wretched, pitiable creature to be hilarious?

Evenstar1400 · 02-03-2003, 09:49 PM

i thought it was cool how tolkien made gollum be the one to destroy the ring. i mean, as i was reading the books i didnt expect he would be the one to do it.... after all he was corrupted by it the most, other than sauron himself

Elf Girl · 02-03-2003, 09:59 PM

I don't think Sauron was corrupted by the Ring, rather he gave his corrupted-ness to the ring as he made it.

01-24-2003, 02:41 PM	#1
L@ur@y Elven Warrior Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Halkirk Posts: 208	Smeagol Smeagol is so cool with his Biig blue eyes and Gollum is so horrible he's mean i don't like him. __________________ Ni melme legolas

01-24-2003, 03:12 PM	#2
WallRocker Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: At the computer... Posts: 376	I'd agree, Smeagols awesome, Gollum's mean but this really belongs in the LotR movie section. __________________ Do one thing every day that scares you ~Anonymous~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><<>< <>< <>< <>< I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America And to the Republic for which it stands One nation UNDER GOD with liberty and justice for all

01-24-2003, 03:46 PM	#4
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	Smeagol is very touching. He really was good, once. In my opinion he is the best example of the evil-ness of the Ring. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

01-24-2003, 03:46 PM	#5
L@ur@y Elven Warrior Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Halkirk Posts: 208	Yeah my sister Kiwi said that Gollum is different in the books than the movie. I haven't read all the yet I've just started FoTR because I just got the books for chirstmas. __________________ Ni melme legolas

01-24-2003, 03:57 PM	#7
L@ur@y Elven Warrior Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Halkirk Posts: 208	Gollum is strange in the book but even stranger in the movie. __________________ Ni melme legolas

01-24-2003, 03:50 PM	#6
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	This thread needs to be about Gollum in the book if it is to stay in the book forum. If it is to be about the movie, I will move it to the movie forum.

01-25-2003, 03:25 PM	#9
Curunír Enting Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: iepe kriepe friepe liepe Posts: 95	Gollum is my precious. Sméagol too. You are not my precious. Gollum is. yeah. __________________ Innie winnie frimmie zillie hoele kroele froele troele ape krape rape zape ulle frulle kulle a cup of milk huy!

01-25-2003, 03:31 PM	#10
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Gollum seemed to me to be pretty accurately portrayed. His skin was the wrong color, and Slinker didn't light his eyes green, but that's about all I can think of. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-25-2003, 06:08 PM	#11
durin's bane Lady of Westernesse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada (Help! Our parliament building is melting!) Posts: 761	Smeagol is pretty cool, and I thought he had really changed, but his old self gained control, and that nearly cost Sam and Frodo their lives. I've never really liked Gollum, but I pitied and even had had a glimmer of like for Smeagol. __________________ Yada, yada, yada

01-28-2003, 04:26 PM	#12
samwise of the shire Radically Tolkienited Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: If home is where the heart is, and my heart is in heaven...that should answer your question. <+>< Posts: 967	I think Dunedain that L@ur@y Elven Warrior was talking about his face and physical traits. Like I seem to remember reading in FOTR that Gollum had webbed feet...like a swans, and Gwaimer is right about the green light. But if you looked close enough when Faramir is talking to Gollum in Henneth Anun and he says "Because he took my...PRECIOUSS" there is DEFINITELY a gleam there if only a pale blue one. I found that the book Gollum was less pitiable and sad than the movie Gollum. I couldn't imagine him as wretched because all of the LOTR baddies have rather charismatic personalities and strong will powers, while Gollum is weak. I felt no pity for Gollum because I hadn't seen him...but now he's a truely pathetic creature for me to imagine. Welcome to the Entmoot L@ur@y Elven Warrior. You'll enjoy it here. Cheers, Sam __________________ Jesus is my all in all <><+<><+<><+<><+<><+<><+ People who are so concerned with escapism do have a name...we call them jailers. ~J.R.R Tolkien Radically Saved, Totally Tolkienited GOD... BLESS... AMERICA...

01-28-2003, 05:21 PM	#14
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Except that I accidentally said Slinker instead of Stinker. Yup, picked the right title! __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-02-2003, 10:31 PM	#15
Guardian_of_the_Forest Enting Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: A Forgotten Forest Posts: 50	Gollum wasn't exactly what I pictured him to be. __________________ ~Jennie ~Lossenhyandowen ~Guardian of the Forest

02-03-2003, 07:22 PM	#16
Narsil's Master Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indian,USA Posts: 109	i think smeagol is cool and its hilarious how he constantly argues with himself __________________ naur an edraith amen, naur dan i ngaurhoth! well your on fire now. go team fencing!!!! fingolfin rox elven sox

02-03-2003, 07:33 PM	#17
ArwenEvenstar Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: and why do YOU want to know? Posts: 685	me and my best friend can do a perfect impression when he's going "he's gone! He's left us!" lol he's a scitzo(sp???) __________________ The only thing active about me is my imagination!

02-03-2003, 09:49 PM	#19
Evenstar1400 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the inner depths of my lair. Posts: 421	i thought it was cool how tolkien made gollum be the one to destroy the ring. i mean, as i was reading the books i didnt expect he would be the one to do it.... after all he was corrupted by it the most, other than sauron himself __________________ Treebeard: Hmm, you look like hobbits, smell like hobbits, feel like hobbits and sound like hobbits. You must be orcs!

02-03-2003, 09:59 PM	#20
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I don't think Sauron was corrupted by the Ring, rather he gave his corrupted-ness to the ring as he made it. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

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