faramir

afro-elf · 05-22-2002, 08:51 AM

what are your thoughts on faramir?

I seen him as aragorn would have been as a young man had he been raised in gondor and not in the wilds

aragorn is the Capt the enterprise and faramior is the perfect #!

to me they are really the same person that tolkien split in two

Elvet · 05-22-2002, 09:04 AM

I agree with you, Afro-elf
I think that Faramir has greatness in him, but he was overshadowed by Boromir and didn't face the challanges that develop greater strength of character, as Aragorn did throughout his life. In otherwords I feel that Faramir was slow to mature, but rose to the challenge when he had to. I also sense that he was more 'cerebral' and compassionate than his brother, and therefore, ultimately more suitable for leadership.
I'm not familiar with the Star Trek series, but I get the gist of your analogy.

Snowdog · 05-22-2002, 01:28 PM

I think Faramir grew up in his brothers shadow, learning and doing all that was required of him, and of course he grew up as a great warrior being that he had an older brother that excelled in weaponry. Faramir was more into the lore I believe also.

Sauron's Nagging Wife · 05-22-2002, 02:26 PM

I have always wondered about Denethor favoring Boromir, because both sons wer obviously brave and great men. I suppose that when Faramir showed an interest in learning from Gandalf, Denethor was disgusted.

Was the old man just arrogant? What did he have against wizards? And was it only the influence of Sauron in the palantir that made him scoff at Aragorn's claim to the kingship? Or is that just arrogance as well?

***Earniel*** · 05-22-2002, 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by Sauron's Nagging Wife
Was the old man just arrogant? What did he have against wizards? And was it only the influence of Sauron in the palantir that made him scoff at Aragorn's claim to the kingship? Or is that just arrogance as well?

Well he did know that Gandalf was trying to get Aragorn become the King of Gondor. Denethor being a king in everything but name probably didn't appreciate that, hence his dislike of Gandalf. Well that's my view at least.

Tar-Elendil · 05-22-2002, 05:23 PM

it says in many places that the blood of numenor ran more truly in faramir(when i say that i mean he was more like his numenorean ancestors than boromir). The stewards came fromt he house of hurin (the numenorean hurin). that would explain somewhat of their similar character

Sicirus · 05-22-2002, 06:27 PM

I always thought of Faramir was more of a person who dislikes battle but does it to protect those he holds dear. To me he seems to be calm good hearted and good character. He also seemed to me to be much more controled than his brother and softer.

Christiana · 05-22-2002, 10:50 PM

I agree

Kevin McIntyre · 05-24-2002, 01:40 PM

Denethor favored Boromir because he was less complicated than Faramir. Boromir was a warrior, and in Denethor's thats what was needed in Gondor's hour of need, Faramir spent too much time with history and thought (at least in Denethor's mind). All this means is Boromir probably was the better general, but Faramir would be the better leader.

Elbereth Gilthoniel · 05-24-2002, 02:56 PM

I liked Faramir, I think he is very similar to Aragorn in few ways.Faramir grew and he always was the second to Borumir, he isn't proud as Boromir is.

Starr Polish · 05-25-2002, 12:04 AM

Faramir...yes, I think he was much more complicated than Boromir, and probably wiser, even though he was younger. The type of man that doesn't look forward to war, but does it when it is needed...and still realizes that 'fighting for peace' is an oxymoron.

Nienna Grey · 05-25-2002, 01:37 AM

I was discussing Faramir with a friend a couple of weeks ago and we both agreed that he was a complex and understated character.

He had the seeds of greatness in him, no doubt, and he did indeed rise to the challange when needed.

I loved the way he was so courteous with Eowyn too, especially when he thought she might still be in love with Aragorn.

Sicirus · 05-25-2002, 02:41 PM

i agree
Faramir was one of the nobelest and honost character in the book.
He wasent afraid to admit he hated things or that he liked things.

Ñólendil · 05-25-2002, 03:31 PM

Hopefully this hasn't been brought up yet. I wanted to say that in a letter, Tolkien said that of all the characters in the Lord of the Rings, Faramir is most like himself, except, he said, "in bravery".

Wayfarer · 05-25-2002, 03:41 PM

Faramir is my favorite character in the books, and he's onw of the best anywhere.
He could probobly get away with a spin-off book of his own, I suspect.

Cirdan · 05-25-2002, 10:20 PM

Faramir's judgement after the "rabbits..." capture was wise for his position relative to his brother. I felt reading RotK that Denethor valued Boromir's "blind" loyalty over all his other qualities. This may have exacerbated Boromir's fatal decision.

Aragorn_iz_cool · 05-31-2002, 09:32 PM

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I think Faramir grew up in his brothers shadow, learning and doing all that was required of him, and of course he grew up as a great warrior being that he had an older brother that excelled in weaponry. Faramir was more into the lore I believe also

Yeah. I agree. And Farimir is a scholer. Borimir is a warrior. Aragorn is bolth (And hot)

afro-elf · 06-01-2002, 01:43 AM

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Yeah. I agree. And Farimir is a scholer. Borimir is a warrior. Aragorn is bolth (And hot)

faramir is a GREAT warrior recall eowyn's remark that NO man of the mark could have defeated him

Radagast · 06-01-2002, 08:23 AM

I concur to most of the statements above...
Faramir is in my signature and overall is one of my favourite characters...
Strong, thoughtful, noble and dignified he was much more empathic than Boromir...although I liked Boromir too. I always thought of Faramir as the kind that the soldiers below him looked up to, a leader they could relate to and trust absolutely. Faramir is a man that could inspire whole armies to rise up and give themselves pride.

Radagast · 06-01-2002, 08:26 AM

Boromir, however is quite a paradox. On the surface we see an arrogant warrior with every reason to feel secure in his strength. He is his father's favourite, a fabled warrior and the trusted emissary of Gondor during the Council of Elrond.
Boromir is concerned for his people but clings to what power he can grasp. He refuses to recognise Aragon as being the 39th descendant of Isildur until his dying moment, far too eager to remain an important man in Gondorian society.
He looks down on his brother somewhat though...I'm really just thinking aloud here.

05-22-2002, 08:51 AM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	faramir what are your thoughts on faramir? I seen him as aragorn would have been as a young man had he been raised in gondor and not in the wilds aragorn is the Capt the enterprise and faramior is the perfect #! to me they are really the same person that tolkien split in two __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

05-22-2002, 09:04 AM	#2
Elvet Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Orillia, Ontario Posts: 221	I agree with you, Afro-elf I think that Faramir has greatness in him, but he was overshadowed by Boromir and didn't face the challanges that develop greater strength of character, as Aragorn did throughout his life. In otherwords I feel that Faramir was slow to mature, but rose to the challenge when he had to. I also sense that he was more 'cerebral' and compassionate than his brother, and therefore, ultimately more suitable for leadership. I'm not familiar with the Star Trek series, but I get the gist of your analogy. __________________ "But do not despise the lore that has come down from distant years; for oft it may chance that old wives keep in memory word of things that once were needful for the wise to know."

05-22-2002, 01:28 PM	#3
Snowdog Dúnedain Ranger of the North Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ruins of Arnor Posts: 892	I think Faramir grew up in his brothers shadow, learning and doing all that was required of him, and of course he grew up as a great warrior being that he had an older brother that excelled in weaponry. Faramir was more into the lore I believe also. __________________ "I am an outlaw, I was born an outlaw's son. The highway is my legacy, on the highway I will run."

05-22-2002, 02:26 PM	#4
Sauron's Nagging Wife Enting Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Great Tower of Mordor Posts: 68	I have always wondered about Denethor favoring Boromir, because both sons wer obviously brave and great men. I suppose that when Faramir showed an interest in learning from Gandalf, Denethor was disgusted. Was the old man just arrogant? What did he have against wizards? And was it only the influence of Sauron in the palantir that made him scoff at Aragorn's claim to the kingship? Or is that just arrogance as well? __________________ "Will you stop fussing over that silly ring and come and eat your dinner before it gets cold?" ~Legrace, the Lady of the Great Tower Read about the Lady Legrace

05-22-2002, 05:23 PM	#6
Tar-Elendil Númenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	it says in many places that the blood of numenor ran more truly in faramir(when i say that i mean he was more like his numenorean ancestors than boromir). The stewards came fromt he house of hurin (the numenorean hurin). that would explain somewhat of their similar character __________________ Why can we not be sober..

05-22-2002, 06:27 PM	#7
Sicirus Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Down the road on your left...No your other left. Posts: 1,825	I always thought of Faramir was more of a person who dislikes battle but does it to protect those he holds dear. To me he seems to be calm good hearted and good character. He also seemed to me to be much more controled than his brother and softer. __________________ "I know less then half of you half as well as I should like. And I like less then half of you half as well as you deserve." Bilbo Baggins

05-22-2002, 10:50 PM	#8
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	I agree

05-24-2002, 01:40 PM	#9
Kevin McIntyre Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bree Posts: 148	Denethor favored Boromir because he was less complicated than Faramir. Boromir was a warrior, and in Denethor's thats what was needed in Gondor's hour of need, Faramir spent too much time with history and thought (at least in Denethor's mind). All this means is Boromir probably was the better general, but Faramir would be the better leader.

05-24-2002, 02:56 PM	#10
Elbereth Gilthoniel Enting Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: israel Posts: 80	I liked Faramir, I think he is very similar to Aragorn in few ways.Faramir grew and he always was the second to Borumir, he isn't proud as Boromir is. __________________ O Elbereth! Gilthoniel! We still remember, we who dwell In this far land beneath the trees, thy starlight on the Western Seas.

05-25-2002, 12:04 AM	#11
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	Faramir...yes, I think he was much more complicated than Boromir, and probably wiser, even though he was younger. The type of man that doesn't look forward to war, but does it when it is needed...and still realizes that 'fighting for peace' is an oxymoron. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

05-25-2002, 01:37 AM	#12
Nienna Grey Enting Join Date: May 2002 Location: England Posts: 62	I was discussing Faramir with a friend a couple of weeks ago and we both agreed that he was a complex and understated character. He had the seeds of greatness in him, no doubt, and he did indeed rise to the challange when needed. I loved the way he was so courteous with Eowyn too, especially when he thought she might still be in love with Aragorn. __________________ "Mornie Utúlië Believe and you will find your way"

05-25-2002, 02:41 PM	#13
Sicirus Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Down the road on your left...No your other left. Posts: 1,825	i agree Faramir was one of the nobelest and honost character in the book. He wasent afraid to admit he hated things or that he liked things. __________________ "I know less then half of you half as well as I should like. And I like less then half of you half as well as you deserve." Bilbo Baggins

05-25-2002, 03:31 PM	#14
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Hopefully this hasn't been brought up yet. I wanted to say that in a letter, Tolkien said that of all the characters in the Lord of the Rings, Faramir is most like himself, except, he said, "in bravery". __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

05-25-2002, 03:41 PM	#15
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Faramir is my favorite character in the books, and he's onw of the best anywhere. He could probobly get away with a spin-off book of his own, I suspect. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

05-25-2002, 10:20 PM	#16
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	Faramir's judgement after the "rabbits..." capture was wise for his position relative to his brother. I felt reading RotK that Denethor valued Boromir's "blind" loyalty over all his other qualities. This may have exacerbated Boromir's fatal decision. __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

06-01-2002, 08:23 AM	#19
Radagast Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Merry old England Posts: 413	I concur to most of the statements above... Faramir is in my signature and overall is one of my favourite characters... Strong, thoughtful, noble and dignified he was much more empathic than Boromir...although I liked Boromir too. I always thought of Faramir as the kind that the soldiers below him looked up to, a leader they could relate to and trust absolutely. Faramir is a man that could inspire whole armies to rise up and give themselves pride. __________________ Take up the White Man's burden-- The savage wars of peace-- Fill full the mouth of Famine, And bid the sickness cease; And when your goal is nearest (The end for others sought) Watch sloth and heathen folly Bring all your hope to nought.

06-01-2002, 08:26 AM	#20
Radagast Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Merry old England Posts: 413	Boromir, however is quite a paradox. On the surface we see an arrogant warrior with every reason to feel secure in his strength. He is his father's favourite, a fabled warrior and the trusted emissary of Gondor during the Council of Elrond. Boromir is concerned for his people but clings to what power he can grasp. He refuses to recognise Aragon as being the 39th descendant of Isildur until his dying moment, far too eager to remain an important man in Gondorian society. He looks down on his brother somewhat though...I'm really just thinking aloud here. __________________ Take up the White Man's burden-- The savage wars of peace-- Fill full the mouth of Famine, And bid the sickness cease; And when your goal is nearest (The end for others sought) Watch sloth and heathen folly Bring all your hope to nought.

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