What is Gollum?

Lady Galadriel · 03-11-2002, 08:46 PM

I've heard he wasa hobbit, and also a goblin, but what is he really? I'm confused!

Lady Galadriel · 03-11-2002, 08:51 PM

I have read the book, and if I missed this I'm sorry, but i just don't get it? He seems so, well, slimy! He really remingds me of E.T. as well

Elvet · 03-11-2002, 09:08 PM

I thought he was a man, from people that lived along the river banks. They had an affinity for water, and got their sustainence
from it . Sort of like fisher-folk. I guess when the ring corrupted him, it drove him to the extreme of watery darkness.

Nibs · 03-11-2002, 09:17 PM

He was a Stoor, a type of halfling found more south-eastward and dwelling near rivers. His cousin, Deagol, found the ring while swimming. It was Smeagol's (Gollum) birthday, and wanted the ring. He murdered Deagol when he (Deagol) refused. Smeagol discovered the ring's powers and had a heyday, but became an outcast from his own folk. He then left and dwelt in the Misty Mountains.

Rána Eressëa · 03-11-2002, 10:35 PM

You're correct, Nibs. And the reason he's all slimey is from the transformation the ring had on him all those hundreds of years beneath the mountains and in those dark, wet surroundings. He kind of adapted to the area and also was corrupted physically by the ring.

Wayfarer · 03-11-2002, 10:40 PM

He was also wet. That tends to make me slippery

markedel · 03-11-2002, 10:41 PM

He was a fisshhh hunter who disliked nassty fries.

Wayfarer · 03-11-2002, 10:43 PM

I wonder what his stance on hamburgers would be?

"Greasy! Nasty! Oh, yes, my prescious! Burned by nasty red flames, yes, yes! We don't like catsup, do we, my prescious! Oh, no!"

Ararax · 03-11-2002, 11:02 PM

deagol was his cousin they shared the same gradndmother

Arathorn · 03-12-2002, 03:30 AM

Just curious? How does one make a gollum sound with one's mouth/throat anyway? Is it like a gurgle or a burp?

luinilwen · 03-12-2002, 08:05 AM

perhaps you have read the book, but not thoroughly enough. in the second chapter of fotr "The Shadow of the Past" the history of Gollum and the ring is all there quite plainly. i'm hoping the movie isn't confusing anyone - i can't remember if galadriel mentions what manner of being gollum is in her little prologue

Elf Girl · 03-12-2002, 09:21 AM

I saw a screen shot of Smeagol and Deagol fishing that day, but they cut it out of the movie. They did say that Gollum found it, but they never called him Smeagol.

Ërendil · 03-12-2002, 09:55 AM

I always thought that he was a corrupted Hobbit! Oh he is isn't he.Doh!

Ararax · 03-12-2002, 12:41 PM

yes he was a corrupted hobbit hobbits weilded the one ring longer then either sauron or men they seemed, to be most resiliant to its powers

Arathorn · 03-12-2002, 12:52 PM

Yes it seems that the less concerned with power an individual is, the less it is affected by the One Ring. The hobbits were very petty (men's point of view) in terms of their concerns (meals, parties, etc.) and there was also Tom.

Ararax · 03-12-2002, 12:55 PM

thats why i think tom was eru or at least a valar because the ring had no power over him he was much more powerful then it, also i would have thought if tom was a maiar then sauron would have noticed if the ring and he joined be senseing a powersurge

Kwijibo · 03-12-2002, 02:12 PM

Smeagol/Gollum was NOT a Hobbit! He was descended from a race of people who later called themselves Hobbits. Gandalf did say something similar to this in A Shadow Of The Past.

It was Smeagol's birthday and he was fishing with his cousin Deagol. Deagol found the Ring but Smeagol wanted it, so he murdered Deagol and then took the Ring for himself. The Ring turned Smeagol into a mishevious pain in the neck and was kicked out of his little community. That was when he fled to the Misty Mountains and evolved into Gollum as the Ring lengthened his life by over 600 years (according to the movie, I can't remember whether this was said in the book).

You could say he was a kind of mutant Hobbit. That's what my Biology teacher said

. No really! He was working so he gave us a free lesson, I was stuck on one of the desks right at the front by his desk. I got The Fellowship of the Ring out and he said,
'Lord of the Rings! Gollum, right?' I nodded and then he said 'He a mutant Hobbit, have you got that far yet?' I hadn't, and I was fuming

Ararax · 03-12-2002, 02:53 PM

haha i would have shot him, but golum mutated after he got the ring he was a hobbit b4

Comic Book Guy · 03-12-2002, 03:04 PM

Quote:

deagol was his cousin they shared the same gradndmother

The word Cousin can also mean simply 'friend', which is used in that context sometimes by Tolkien (Gandalf refers to Radagast as his cousin) so they may not be direct cousins, they are probally related someway or other, like most Hobbits were.

Why is everyone repeating eachothers facts?

Kwijibo · 03-12-2002, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by Comic Book Guy

Why is everyone repeating eachothers facts?

I guess we're just parrots. Do they have parrots in Middle-earth?

Why is everyone reapeating each others facts?

Sorry, couldn't resist!

03-11-2002, 08:46 PM	#1
Lady Galadriel Sapling Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 7	What is Gollum? I've heard he wasa hobbit, and also a goblin, but what is he really? I'm confused! __________________ Email me! I'm bored.

03-11-2002, 08:51 PM	#2
Lady Galadriel Sapling Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 7	Yes I have read the book, and if I missed this I'm sorry, but i just don't get it? He seems so, well, slimy! He really remingds me of E.T. as well __________________ Email me! I'm bored.

03-11-2002, 09:08 PM	#3
Elvet Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Orillia, Ontario Posts: 221	I thought he was a man, from people that lived along the river banks. They had an affinity for water, and got their sustainence from it . Sort of like fisher-folk. I guess when the ring corrupted him, it drove him to the extreme of watery darkness. __________________ "But do not despise the lore that has come down from distant years; for oft it may chance that old wives keep in memory word of things that once were needful for the wise to know."

03-11-2002, 09:17 PM	#4
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	He was a Stoor, a type of halfling found more south-eastward and dwelling near rivers. His cousin, Deagol, found the ring while swimming. It was Smeagol's (Gollum) birthday, and wanted the ring. He murdered Deagol when he (Deagol) refused. Smeagol discovered the ring's powers and had a heyday, but became an outcast from his own folk. He then left and dwelt in the Misty Mountains. __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us. Last edited by Nibs : 03-12-2002 at 06:33 PM.

03-11-2002, 10:40 PM	#6
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	He was also wet. That tends to make me slippery __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

03-11-2002, 10:35 PM	#5
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	You're correct, Nibs. And the reason he's all slimey is from the transformation the ring had on him all those hundreds of years beneath the mountains and in those dark, wet surroundings. He kind of adapted to the area and also was corrupted physically by the ring.

03-11-2002, 10:41 PM	#7
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	He was a fisshhh hunter who disliked nassty fries. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-11-2002, 10:43 PM	#8
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	I wonder what his stance on hamburgers would be? "Greasy! Nasty! Oh, yes, my prescious! Burned by nasty red flames, yes, yes! We don't like catsup, do we, my prescious! Oh, no!" __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

03-11-2002, 11:02 PM	#9
Ararax Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NEW JERSEY! Posts: 375	deagol was his cousin they shared the same gradndmother __________________ Woah Deep

03-12-2002, 03:30 AM	#10
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Just curious? How does one make a gollum sound with one's mouth/throat anyway? Is it like a gurgle or a burp? __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

03-12-2002, 08:05 AM	#11
luinilwen Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sydney AUSTRALIA Posts: 368	perhaps you have read the book, but not thoroughly enough. in the second chapter of fotr "The Shadow of the Past" the history of Gollum and the ring is all there quite plainly. i'm hoping the movie isn't confusing anyone - i can't remember if galadriel mentions what manner of being gollum is in her little prologue

03-12-2002, 09:21 AM	#12
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I saw a screen shot of Smeagol and Deagol fishing that day, but they cut it out of the movie. They did say that Gollum found it, but they never called him Smeagol. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

03-12-2002, 09:55 AM	#13
Ërendil Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 389	I always thought that he was a corrupted Hobbit! Oh he is isn't he.Doh! __________________ "You're one of the Abaharaki, oh I had forgotten. Look at me, I am completly drenched! I do hate the rain, it makes me so depressed..." "Hehehehe, moeru moeru!" "That's it, set it all on fire; we're gonna smoke out Escaflowne!" "Oh, I hit the wrong target... never mind that creature was useless to us anyway. Our orders were to get the girl? So he isn't our concern, we don't need him!" ^_^ Isn't Dilandau just fantastic? You just have to love the insane, murderous pyro :-D

03-12-2002, 12:41 PM	#14
Ararax Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NEW JERSEY! Posts: 375	yes he was a corrupted hobbit hobbits weilded the one ring longer then either sauron or men they seemed, to be most resiliant to its powers __________________ Woah Deep

03-12-2002, 12:52 PM	#15
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Yes it seems that the less concerned with power an individual is, the less it is affected by the One Ring. The hobbits were very petty (men's point of view) in terms of their concerns (meals, parties, etc.) and there was also Tom. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures... Last edited by Arathorn : 03-12-2002 at 12:53 PM.

03-12-2002, 12:55 PM	#16
Ararax Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NEW JERSEY! Posts: 375	thats why i think tom was eru or at least a valar because the ring had no power over him he was much more powerful then it, also i would have thought if tom was a maiar then sauron would have noticed if the ring and he joined be senseing a powersurge __________________ Woah Deep

03-12-2002, 02:12 PM	#17
Kwijibo Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlorien (actually Wales, but let's not talk about that) Posts: 117	Smeagol/Gollum was NOT a Hobbit! He was descended from a race of people who later called themselves Hobbits. Gandalf did say something similar to this in A Shadow Of The Past. It was Smeagol's birthday and he was fishing with his cousin Deagol. Deagol found the Ring but Smeagol wanted it, so he murdered Deagol and then took the Ring for himself. The Ring turned Smeagol into a mishevious pain in the neck and was kicked out of his little community. That was when he fled to the Misty Mountains and evolved into Gollum as the Ring lengthened his life by over 600 years (according to the movie, I can't remember whether this was said in the book). You could say he was a kind of mutant Hobbit. That's what my Biology teacher said . No really! He was working so he gave us a free lesson, I was stuck on one of the desks right at the front by his desk. I got The Fellowship of the Ring out and he said, 'Lord of the Rings! Gollum, right?' I nodded and then he said 'He a mutant Hobbit, have you got that far yet?' I hadn't, and I was fuming __________________ 'So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All you can decide is what to do with the time that is given to you,' - Gandalf the Grey 'I left my body to science, but I'm afraid they've turned it down' - In memory of Graham Chapman 'Rubin sits like Buddah in a 10 foot cell, An innocent man in a living hell,' - From 'Hurricane' by Bob Dylan, the only innocent Hurricane protest song, written stressing the innocence of Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter, a black, middle-weight boxer imprisoned for 19 for a triple murder which he did not commit. Last edited by Kwijibo : 03-12-2002 at 02:15 PM.

03-12-2002, 02:53 PM	#18
Ararax Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NEW JERSEY! Posts: 375	haha i would have shot him, but golum mutated after he got the ring he was a hobbit b4 __________________ Woah Deep

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