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01-22-2002, 12:24 AM | #1 |
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The Gift of Death
Supposing you could choose, would you rather have the immortality of the Elves, or the "gift" of Death bestowed on Men?
Personally, I think the Numenoreans got the best deal - long lived, but also get to die and find out what lies outside Middle Earth. Iluvatar did, after all, mean it as a gift.
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01-22-2002, 01:17 AM | #2 |
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What a question!!!
Hmmmm...I would have to agree with you, FrodoFriend. I would bet that sorrow would have always been a part of life in the Blessed Realm (not continually, tho), because that seemed to be the case after Melkor and Ungolliant befouled the place. The resting place of humans was most likely Heaven-ish, since it was a gift from Eru. I wonder why the professor wrote almost nothing about it.
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01-22-2002, 04:36 AM | #3 |
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That is a tad difficult to answer because Tolkien was a Christian and thus, believed in a hereafter.
For someone whose coporeal sensibilities are in the forefront it is question of; a) do i answer as if tolkien's world is true with all of his beliefs b) do i answer it with the heart of this world I would probably choose the first born in both cases.
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01-22-2002, 04:53 AM | #4 |
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04-28-2002, 07:53 PM | #5 |
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I would choose the race of Men. the thought of living upon Eã for so long is too bittersweet, even if it was in valinor.
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05-02-2002, 01:49 PM | #7 |
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I think I'll choose the elves because they are smarter, stronger and they aren't dying without reason.
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I think I would choose immortality - it might be bittersweet but that's still sweet. I could learn as much as I could about Middle Earth, then sail to the West. I'd like that.
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05-02-2002, 09:48 PM | #9 |
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Remember, death was part of the package that men got to choose and expand their life beyond the music. Elves didn't. So, would you rather have a short, exciting life with mostly full control, or a long life consigned to elvishness?
I don't know... I have a lot in common with the sadness and poignancy of the elves... but I like my choice too...
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05-02-2002, 09:51 PM | #10 |
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I'd take mortality, there's a reason why there aren't immortal beings in this world today-immortality leads to a frozen existence.
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05-03-2002, 06:25 AM | #11 |
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I can't help prefering the immortal existance but I'm not sure I would like those long periods of staying in one place. I think the second born have a faster, more exciting existance.
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05-03-2002, 07:38 PM | #13 |
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I don't know. I think I'd choose mortality, because I don't think I could live for thousands of years knowing I could only do what Eru intended for the average Elf.
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05-03-2002, 11:45 PM | #14 |
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It really depends on how my life was. If it was filled with dissapointments and bad luck, I would prefer mortality. No, I take that back. I prefer mortality. It's better knowing you can get to a better place rather than staying on a hard earth forever.
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05-05-2002, 07:22 PM | #16 |
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Not even my opinion, but fact. The Elves of the First Age were much more enduring and hardier than Men of that era, or Elves of the Third Age.
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05-05-2002, 08:48 PM | #17 |
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bah..ok...in the first age..but third age, i just cant believe..
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05-06-2002, 07:18 PM | #20 |
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yea but galadriel was born in valinor before the creating of the silmarils..no surprise she had something over men and all elves as well..and anyways thats just two elves...when you can think of more, besides celeborn, tell me
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