man and elf union

afro-elf · 01-03-2002, 10:16 PM

I recall something in the Sil were a character I BELIEVE gwindor says that the edain( I belive this was the word used it may have been man) unions are only rare and for great purposes.

There were Tour and Indril/ Beren and Tuor/ Aragorn and Arwen

and Imrazor the Numenorean and Mithrellass

The first 3 unions were with Men and Noldor

I would assume that Mithrellas was sindar at most and probably Silvan

Are there ANY references that there POSSIBLY could have been more between men and elves

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-03-2002, 10:35 PM

No. There were only three significant unions between Men and Elves. (Beren and Luthien, Tuor and Idril, and Aragorn and Arwen.) Gwindor said what he said about Finduilas because she was in love with Turin. Turin did not return her love. However, this was a prediction that Finrod had made long before his death. He believed that the two were not meant to be together except for some high purpose of doom. He said this even before Beren and Luthien, who were the first couple.

Ñólendil · 01-04-2002, 02:46 AM

Mithrellas was indeed a Wood-elf, by Gondorian reckoning not an Elda.

easterlinge · 01-04-2002, 04:29 AM

Since Hobbits are human..... would you marry a Hobbit?

afro-elf · 01-04-2002, 07:10 AM

She would have to drink A LOT Ent Draught.

I'm 6'2'' ( 187cm) and hobbits are 2-4 feet

I think that might cause some mating difficulties due structural size incapatibality.

Here is a question

I recall two different ideas one that hobbits merged into the larger human group and the that they secreted themselves away.

Which one is correct?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-04-2002, 02:41 PM

I would say they merged into what humans are today is most likely the case. Don't you love the way Tolkien brings his world into the real world? Or is his world the real world and our world the fantasy? I think I've taken too much cold medicine.

afro-elf · 01-04-2002, 04:23 PM

Alas! Here is the dilemma in the prologue to LOTR its says

that they still exist but it seems they are still "littel folk"

BUT I thought SOMEWHERE there was mention of them merging with us.

Kirinki54 · 01-04-2002, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by afro-elf
Alas! Here is the dilemma in the prologue to LOTR its says

that they still exist but it seems they are still "littel folk"

BUT I thought SOMEWHERE there was mention of them merging with us.

Merging with Big Folk? Don´t really think so. Instead they are said to become more secretive and seldom seen. However in the long run IMHO this seems hard to reconcile with the space and livelihood needed for the Hobbits to thrive. The world is rather full anyway without secret Hobbit areas able to exist.

afro-elf · 01-04-2002, 05:46 PM

I think I'm gonna change my signature to Lord of the Typos.

Kirinki54 · 01-05-2002, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by afro-elf
I think I'm gonna change my signature to Lord of the Typos.

Don´t do that, Afro-Elf! We will always appreciate there is more to you than sleight-of-hand...

However pray tell why did you abandon my beautiful Dwarf quote from the Sil, instead bringing in NIETZSCHE?

afro-elf · 01-05-2002, 07:04 PM

Some realizations and personal stuff happened during Thailand and my first week back in the desert and I've been changing the quotes weekly now.

Just in a restless/relaxed state. I know that might sound odd but it is true.

afro-elf · 01-05-2002, 07:08 PM

I was going to put up a quote from Limp Bizkit, but after conferring with Inoldonil I decided not to. Too many youngins and PC types around.

Kiri · 01-14-2002, 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by easterlinge
Since Hobbits are human..... would you marry a Hobbit?

In college, I shared a room (to be delicate) for a time with a lovely young woman who was all of four feet tall--and she had disproportionately large feet. Her legs and feet had a marvelously soft down, actually...

Wayfarer · 01-14-2002, 07:39 PM

Speaking to the original subject...

I was reading the lays of beleriand the other day, and MAN, was beren a lucky guy!

I won't post any, because it's borderline not-for-kids, but WOW. I mean WOW. The way tolkein puts it, I thinkI'd better start looking for a single elf-maiden.

Anyone know any?

afro-elf · 01-14-2002, 07:57 PM

Can you send me a PM with the ADULT version PLEASE!!!!

Wayfarer · 01-14-2002, 07:59 PM

Well...

I suppose I sorta overstated it... it's not so much literally adult marterial as it is by implication.

But I'll send you a pm.

When I get back online tomorrow, I don't have access to the book right now.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-14-2002, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by Wayfarer
Speaking to the original subject...

I was reading the lays of beleriand the other day, and MAN, was beren a lucky guy!

I won't post any, because it's borderline not-for-kids, but WOW. I mean WOW. The way tolkein puts it, I thinkI'd better start looking for a single elf-maiden.

Anyone know any?

Well, if I didn't know better, I would say that you're a dirty old man. Seeing as how you want a elf maiden though, 70 is young.

Wayfarer · 01-14-2002, 08:22 PM

70? what gave you that idea? ]: )

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-14-2002, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by Wayfarer
70? what gave you that idea? ]: )

It says in your profile that you were born in 1932. Your birthday was the other day. It showed in the list on the main page that you are 70 years old. I addressed this in the GM forum, but you never replied. WELL?

Nazgûl Queen · 01-14-2002, 10:00 PM

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Merging with Big Folk? Don´t really think so. Instead they are said to become more secretive and seldom seen. However in the long run IMHO this seems hard to reconcile with the space and livelihood needed for the Hobbits to thrive. The world is rather full anyway without secret Hobbit areas able to exist.

Personally, I think that originally the Hobbits remained but were hard to see and unknown to humans.
However, I think that with all of our destruction of habitat etc, I think that most of them have died out or merged with humans, but probably very small populations still exist in some areas, hiddenf rom human knowledge.

01-03-2002, 10:16 PM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	man and elf union I recall something in the Sil were a character I BELIEVE gwindor says that the edain( I belive this was the word used it may have been man) unions are only rare and for great purposes. There were Tour and Indril/ Beren and Tuor/ Aragorn and Arwen and Imrazor the Numenorean and Mithrellass The first 3 unions were with Men and Noldor I would assume that Mithrellas was sindar at most and probably Silvan Are there ANY references that there POSSIBLY could have been more between men and elves __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. Last edited by afro-elf : 01-03-2002 at 10:19 PM.

01-04-2002, 02:46 AM	#3
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Mithrellas was indeed a Wood-elf, by Gondorian reckoning not an Elda. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

01-04-2002, 04:29 AM	#4
easterlinge Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Farthest Khand, the darkest East... Posts: 442	Since Hobbits are human..... would you marry a Hobbit? __________________ [b]"Et Earello Endorenna utulien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!"

01-04-2002, 07:10 AM	#5
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	She would have to drink A LOT Ent Draught. I'm 6'2'' ( 187cm) and hobbits are 2-4 feet I think that might cause some mating difficulties due structural size incapatibality. Here is a question I recall two different ideas one that hobbits merged into the larger human group and the that they secreted themselves away. Which one is correct? __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. Last edited by afro-elf : 01-04-2002 at 04:16 PM.

01-04-2002, 04:23 PM	#7
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Alas! Here is the dilemma in the prologue to LOTR its says that they still exist but it seems they are still "littel folk" BUT I thought SOMEWHERE there was mention of them merging with us. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

01-03-2002, 10:35 PM	#2
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	No. There were only three significant unions between Men and Elves. (Beren and Luthien, Tuor and Idril, and Aragorn and Arwen.) Gwindor said what he said about Finduilas because she was in love with Turin. Turin did not return her love. However, this was a prediction that Finrod had made long before his death. He believed that the two were not meant to be together except for some high purpose of doom. He said this even before Beren and Luthien, who were the first couple.

01-04-2002, 02:41 PM	#6
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	I would say they merged into what humans are today is most likely the case. Don't you love the way Tolkien brings his world into the real world? Or is his world the real world and our world the fantasy? I think I've taken too much cold medicine.

01-04-2002, 05:46 PM	#9
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	I think I'm gonna change my signature to Lord of the Typos. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

01-05-2002, 07:04 PM	#11
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Some realizations and personal stuff happened during Thailand and my first week back in the desert and I've been changing the quotes weekly now. Just in a restless/relaxed state. I know that might sound odd but it is true. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

01-05-2002, 07:08 PM	#12
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	I was going to put up a quote from Limp Bizkit, but after conferring with Inoldonil I decided not to. Too many youngins and PC types around. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

01-14-2002, 07:39 PM	#14
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Speaking to the original subject... I was reading the lays of beleriand the other day, and MAN, was beren a lucky guy! I won't post any, because it's borderline not-for-kids, but WOW. I mean WOW. The way tolkein puts it, I thinkI'd better start looking for a single elf-maiden. Anyone know any? __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-14-2002, 07:57 PM	#15
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Can you send me a PM with the ADULT version PLEASE!!!! __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

01-14-2002, 07:59 PM	#16
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Well... I suppose I sorta overstated it... it's not so much literally adult marterial as it is by implication. But I'll send you a pm. When I get back online tomorrow, I don't have access to the book right now. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned Last edited by Wayfarer : 01-14-2002 at 08:08 PM.

01-14-2002, 08:22 PM	#18
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	70? what gave you that idea? ]: ) __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned