Lord of the Flies

Treebeard's apprentice · 12-04-2001, 09:59 PM

All I want to say about this book is that I think it is stupid. We had to read it for my English class, and it is just an obvious symbol for the "evils of the world"

. The part I have a problem with is the ending. It is so contrived. The Navy man shows up and it just ends. Nothing is solved. I felt that reading it insulted my intelligence. What do you think?

Bregalad · 12-04-2001, 11:34 PM

I think this book is a classic example of how even very civillized people can regress to savages if faced with the savage isolation that those school boys face on the island. The reason I enjoy the book, is watching the slow slide of the boys into a very tribal society. The ending to me is very powerful because nothing is resolved, problems in real life are often like that. The most poignant thing about the book is that, despite all they've struggled against and all they've accomplished, and all they've tried to build, next week they'll be back in civillization, back in school, and it was all for nothing.

***IronParrot*** · 12-05-2001, 02:11 AM

It's been years since I read it. I should take it up again.

fireworks19 · 12-08-2001, 03:24 PM

I hated this book. Made me literally puke. And have nightmares. That doesn't happen often.

mirrille · 12-24-2001, 03:47 AM

That's interesting. In my year, we had several different English classes and they all did the same books...mostly. One class got to do Lord of the Flies but my class had to study Cat's Eye by Margaret Atwood. I read Lord of the Flies in my own time to see what I was missing. Let's just say I would rather have done Lord of the Flies. It actually had a plot. It had a point. Kind of the whole "humanity is only 3 meals away from reverting to savagery" sort of thing. It's been done before, but the story is relatively believable. I wouldn't reread it though. It wasn't that special.

Lumina · 12-31-2001, 01:01 AM

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I hated this book. Made me literally puke. And have nightmares. That doesn't happen often.

At least that shows that the book is powerful.

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Nothing is solved.

That's the point.

Lord of the Flies is one of the great novels of the twentieth century.

CardenIAntauraNauco · 12-31-2001, 02:27 AM

Fortunately,or perhaps unfortunately I have never had the opportunity,or obligation respectively to read it... But I have heard both opinions I say its a matter of taste. I personally would probably enjoy it as much as I enjoy the mechanics of chewing (note the probably) simply because it is set in the modern era and I like a book with a definite resolution. But simply because so many people read it and for its ,from what I've heard, philisophical value it would be considered a great book of this, or last rather century.

Lis Kester · 01-04-2002, 03:09 PM

I read this book when I was a kid & HATED it. Then tried it again recently & discovered that while I still hated it, I also loved it. Isn't that weird? It's such a really terrible book - not the way it's written, just all the stuff that's in it - but it's got a lot of truth, and truth isn't always something you want to take home & snuggle up to.

Finglas · 01-04-2002, 05:09 PM

I think that English teachers are just mocking Tolkien fans by making us read it. Lord of the Ring/ Lord of the Flies

afro-elf · 01-04-2002, 05:42 PM

Bregalad

My thoughts exactly!

Bregalad · 01-05-2002, 06:48 PM

Finglas writes:

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I think that English teachers are just mocking Tolkien fans by making us read it. Lord of the Ring/ Lord of the Flies

At least it isn't "Lord of the Dance" !!

FrodoFriend · 01-08-2002, 01:25 AM

I can't believe you people. Lord of the Flies is such a great book. Simon's conversation with the pig's head . . . wow. Profound.

p.s. it doesn't have to be realistic, it's an allegory!!

Sauron's Nagging Wife · 01-10-2002, 11:55 PM

I first read this novel in 1981, and I still think it's one of the best. The story is gripping (the "hunt" for Ralph is certainly a page turner) and the use of the angelic choirboys as a microcosm for humanity is boh frightening and inspired.

Of course nothing is solved. That's the way of the world. The naval officer rescues the boys, but who will rescue the naval officer and his crew from the horrors of real war? It make syou think.

Darkhalcyon · 01-18-2002, 11:23 AM

i loved it - thought it was quite powerful. i think that Animal Farm was worse...as far as allegories. Or Gulliver's Travels (in its entirety). Lords of the Flies was refreshing, compared to those...

AngusThermopile · 01-19-2002, 02:08 AM

Ah! Lord of the flies! A multimillionaire, owner of a multinational zipper manufacturing conglomerate.

He wrote a novel too?

Darkhalcyon · 01-19-2002, 02:36 PM

oooooo bad joke! but still amusing! *hehehe*

emplynx · 01-23-2002, 05:16 PM

I had a test on this today at school.

I havn't read it since summer. (Summer reading.) I hated that book. I had to read it and Jane Eyre which I realllllly hated!

Laurelyn · 02-02-2002, 12:49 PM

It was strange, if you ask me. Both beautiful and terrible . . .

snoopy · 03-23-2002, 01:18 AM

I had to read The Lord of the Flies in highschool- And I found it hard to get into.

RosieCotton · 03-25-2002, 10:51 AM

I am reading Lord of the Flies for my eighth grade English class right now. It seems like you either love it or you hate it. My parents both hated it. I'm only on chapter three, and its weird....but rather intrieging. (I can't spell)
Rosie

12-04-2001, 09:59 PM	#1
Treebeard's apprentice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Wherever I may roam Posts: 207	Lord of the Flies All I want to say about this book is that I think it is stupid. We had to read it for my English class, and it is just an obvious symbol for the "evils of the world" . The part I have a problem with is the ending. It is so contrived. The Navy man shows up and it just ends. Nothing is solved. I felt that reading it insulted my intelligence. What do you think?

12-04-2001, 11:34 PM	#2
Bregalad Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KY Posts: 217	I think this book is a classic example of how even very civillized people can regress to savages if faced with the savage isolation that those school boys face on the island. The reason I enjoy the book, is watching the slow slide of the boys into a very tribal society. The ending to me is very powerful because nothing is resolved, problems in real life are often like that. The most poignant thing about the book is that, despite all they've struggled against and all they've accomplished, and all they've tried to build, next week they'll be back in civillization, back in school, and it was all for nothing. __________________ "They have called me that ever since I said yes to an elder Ent before he had finished his question" -Quickbeam This post property of Entmoot.

12-05-2001, 02:11 AM	#3
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	It's been years since I read it. I should take it up again. __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

12-08-2001, 03:24 PM	#4
fireworks19 Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 156	I hated this book. Made me literally puke. And have nightmares. That doesn't happen often. __________________ Just Watch the Fireworks Just Meet Fireworks =)

12-31-2001, 02:27 AM	#7
CardenIAntauraNauco Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: rural oklahoma Posts: 324	Fortunately,or perhaps unfortunately I have never had the opportunity,or obligation respectively to read it... But I have heard both opinions I say its a matter of taste. I personally would probably enjoy it as much as I enjoy the mechanics of chewing (note the probably) simply because it is set in the modern era and I like a book with a definite resolution. But simply because so many people read it and for its ,from what I've heard, philisophical value it would be considered a great book of this, or last rather century. __________________ "We will have peace","Yes we will have peace...we will have peace when you and all your works have perished - and the works of your dark lord to whom you would deliver us. You are a liar,Saruman,and a corrupter of men's hearts. You hold out your hand to me and I percieve only a finger of the claw of Mordor. Cruel and cold! Even if your war on me was just - as it was not,for were you ten times as wise you would have no right to rule me and mine, for your own profit you desired-even so, what will you say of your Torches in westfold and the children that lie dead there? And they hewed Hama's body before the gates of Hornburg, after he was dead. When you hang from a gibbet at your window for the sport of your own crows, I will have peace with you and Orthanc. So much for the House of Eorl. A lesser son of greater Sires am I, but I do not need to lick your fingers. Turn elsewither for I fear your voice has lost it's charm.

12-24-2001, 03:47 AM	#5
mirrille Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 479	That's interesting. In my year, we had several different English classes and they all did the same books...mostly. One class got to do Lord of the Flies but my class had to study Cat's Eye by Margaret Atwood. I read Lord of the Flies in my own time to see what I was missing. Let's just say I would rather have done Lord of the Flies. It actually had a plot. It had a point. Kind of the whole "humanity is only 3 meals away from reverting to savagery" sort of thing. It's been done before, but the story is relatively believable. I wouldn't reread it though. It wasn't that special.

01-04-2002, 03:09 PM	#8
Lis Kester Sapling Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6	I read this book when I was a kid & HATED it. Then tried it again recently & discovered that while I still hated it, I also loved it. Isn't that weird? It's such a really terrible book - not the way it's written, just all the stuff that's in it - but it's got a lot of truth, and truth isn't always something you want to take home & snuggle up to.

01-04-2002, 05:09 PM	#9
Finglas Enting Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: here, there, everywhere Posts: 88	I think that English teachers are just mocking Tolkien fans by making us read it. Lord of the Ring/ Lord of the Flies __________________ If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!

01-04-2002, 05:42 PM	#10
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Bregalad My thoughts exactly! __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

01-08-2002, 01:25 AM	#12
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	I can't believe you people. Lord of the Flies is such a great book. Simon's conversation with the pig's head . . . wow. Profound. p.s. it doesn't have to be realistic, it's an allegory!! __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

01-10-2002, 11:55 PM	#13
Sauron's Nagging Wife Enting Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Great Tower of Mordor Posts: 68	I first read this novel in 1981, and I still think it's one of the best. The story is gripping (the "hunt" for Ralph is certainly a page turner) and the use of the angelic choirboys as a microcosm for humanity is boh frightening and inspired. Of course nothing is solved. That's the way of the world. The naval officer rescues the boys, but who will rescue the naval officer and his crew from the horrors of real war? It make syou think. __________________ "Will you stop fussing over that silly ring and come and eat your dinner before it gets cold?" ~Legrace, the Lady of the Great Tower Read about the Lady Legrace Last edited by Sauron's Nagging Wife : 01-10-2002 at 11:56 PM.

01-18-2002, 11:23 AM	#14
Darkhalcyon Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: a boring little town not too far from manhattan Posts: 140	i loved it - thought it was quite powerful. i think that Animal Farm was worse...as far as allegories. Or Gulliver's Travels (in its entirety). Lords of the Flies was refreshing, compared to those... __________________ Absolute power corrupts. Knowledge is power. Study hard, be evil.

01-19-2002, 02:08 AM	#15
AngusThermopile Sapling Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 12	Ah! Lord of the flies! A multimillionaire, owner of a multinational zipper manufacturing conglomerate. He wrote a novel too? __________________ http://www.jasidog.com

01-19-2002, 02:36 PM	#16
Darkhalcyon Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: a boring little town not too far from manhattan Posts: 140	oooooo bad joke! but still amusing! hehehe __________________ Absolute power corrupts. Knowledge is power. Study hard, be evil.

01-23-2002, 05:16 PM	#17
emplynx Self-Appointed Lord of the Free Peoples of the General Messages Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,214	I had a test on this today at school. I havn't read it since summer. (Summer reading.) I hated that book. I had to read it and Jane Eyre which I realllllly hated!

02-02-2002, 12:49 PM	#18
Laurelyn Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor, right next to Telperion . . . what did you expect, Michigan? Posts: 1,315	It was strange, if you ask me. Both beautiful and terrible . . . __________________ The Third Age of Entmoot has begun. Angel of music, guide and guardian! Grant to me your glory! The country I eat and spend the day in is by no means the country I sleep and dream in. Define patriotism. Hold the boat, you spastic monkey! ~ Elenka

03-23-2002, 01:18 AM	#19
snoopy Hobbit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: oregon Posts: 18	I had to read The Lord of the Flies in highschool- And I found it hard to get into. __________________ "Curse it! curse it! curse it!" hissed Gollum. "Curse the Baggins! It's gone! What has it got in its pocketses? Oh we guess, we guess, my precious. He's found it, yes he must have. My birthday-present."

03-25-2002, 10:51 AM	#20
RosieCotton Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hobbiton...no wait.... Posts: 263	I am reading Lord of the Flies for my eighth grade English class right now. It seems like you either love it or you hate it. My parents both hated it. I'm only on chapter three, and its weird....but rather intrieging. (I can't spell) Rosie __________________ Fortune rides like the Sun on high With the fox that makes the ravens fly Luck his sould, the lightning his eye He snatches the moons from out of the sky.

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