Where did Hobbits come from?

Lord of the Mark · 11-13-2006, 01:14 PM

I was just reading the Fellowship of the Ring for the fifth time and I came to In the House of Tom Bombadil, and there Tom's talking about how he was there when the first raindrop fell, the first acorn, and he made paths before the big people, and he saw the Little People arriving. The Little People arriving. That implies that Middle-Earth was there before Hobbits were, that also implies that Tom knows about goings on in all Middle-Earth, so if the Little People were "arriving" then that means that they must have come from somewhere over the Sea, but not from Numenor otherwise there would be a record, so that means that there's another island out there. The Home of the Hobbits.

Please voice your opinions

***Earniel*** · 11-13-2006, 04:13 PM

It's a nice theory, but there is no island where all Hobbits came from.

If you read the Silmarillion you'll see that Men appeared, or rather 'woke up' on Middle-earth in the First Aera. Many of the tribes were on the move for very long, some came West and eventually received Númenor to live on.

But many others just stayed in Middle-earth. The Hobbits, as they are counted among Men, must have been among them. There just isn't much record of these more Eastern tribes. The Hobbits were only sighted when they popped up around the Anduin, from where they made their way to the Shire.

Lord of the Mark · 11-13-2006, 05:04 PM

Pffff, maybe.

Haha.

But I still don't get what Tom Bombadil meant by 'arriving'.

Landroval · 11-14-2006, 10:58 AM

According to Silmarillion:

Quote:

At the first rising of the Sun the Younger Children of Iluvatar awoke in the land of Hildorien in the eastward regions of Middle-earth

Afterwards, they started migrating in waves towards the western regions. Since hobbits are a branch of Men they are included in this movement; according to the Tale of Years, LotR:

Quote:

Year 1050:
Hyarmendacil conquers the Harad. Gondor reaches the height of its power. About this time a shadow falls on Greenwood, and men begin to call it Mirkwood. The Periannath are first mentioned in records, with the coming of the Harfoots to Eriador.

Curubethion · 11-15-2006, 12:12 AM

So...hobbits are really a bunch of fat midgets!

trolls' bane · 11-15-2006, 12:45 AM

Aha!
This question has been bugging me for years!

***Valandil*** · 11-16-2006, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Mark

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But I still don't get what Tom Bombadil meant by 'arriving'.

I believe Tom's view of things was very much centered on his particular area of Middle Earth.

trolls' bane · 11-16-2006, 09:56 PM

Good point. I tend to agree.
Tom was meant to be an enigma, as I seem to remember someone whipping a quote from Tolkien saying so himself.

Lotesse · 11-18-2006, 05:04 PM

Where did hobbits come from? Hobbits came from they mamas. You see, the daddy hobbit and the mama hobbit get together in a close and intimate way, and nine months later, a baby hobbit issues forth. There. Question answered. Glad to be of service.

11-13-2006, 01:14 PM	#1
Lord of the Mark Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 32	Where did Hobbits come from? I was just reading the Fellowship of the Ring for the fifth time and I came to In the House of Tom Bombadil, and there Tom's talking about how he was there when the first raindrop fell, the first acorn, and he made paths before the big people, and he saw the Little People arriving. The Little People arriving. That implies that Middle-Earth was there before Hobbits were, that also implies that Tom knows about goings on in all Middle-Earth, so if the Little People were "arriving" then that means that they must have come from somewhere over the Sea, but not from Numenor otherwise there would be a record, so that means that there's another island out there. The Home of the Hobbits. Please voice your opinions

11-13-2006, 04:13 PM	#2
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	It's a nice theory, but there is no island where all Hobbits came from. If you read the Silmarillion you'll see that Men appeared, or rather 'woke up' on Middle-earth in the First Aera. Many of the tribes were on the move for very long, some came West and eventually received Númenor to live on. But many others just stayed in Middle-earth. The Hobbits, as they are counted among Men, must have been among them. There just isn't much record of these more Eastern tribes. The Hobbits were only sighted when they popped up around the Anduin, from where they made their way to the Shire. __________________ We are not things.

11-15-2006, 12:12 AM	#5
Curubethion Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College! Posts: 1,976	So...hobbits are really a bunch of fat midgets! __________________ Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan)

11-15-2006, 12:45 AM	#6
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	Aha! This question has been bugging me for years! __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

11-16-2006, 09:56 PM	#8
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	Good point. I tend to agree. Tom was meant to be an enigma, as I seem to remember someone whipping a quote from Tolkien saying so himself. __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

11-13-2006, 05:04 PM	#3
Lord of the Mark Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 32	Pffff, maybe. Haha. But I still don't get what Tom Bombadil meant by 'arriving'.

11-18-2006, 05:04 PM	#9
Lotesse of the House of Fëanor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	Where did hobbits come from? Hobbits came from they mamas. You see, the daddy hobbit and the mama hobbit get together in a close and intimate way, and nine months later, a baby hobbit issues forth. There. Question answered. Glad to be of service. __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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