Do you believe in UFOs: is there sentient life besides our own?!!!

The Telcontarion · 10-14-2006, 01:26 PM

Here is a very convincing link.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...60742580339958

All points of view welcome.

***Jonathan*** · 10-14-2006, 02:16 PM

There are of course Unidentified Flying Objects, which can be unidentified aircraft or optical phenomena or whatever.
You're thinking of UFOs of extraterrestrial origin. Their existance has yet to be proved.

If you count dolphins and whales, then yes - there is sentient life besides our own

. Perhaps there are sentient beings somewhere else in the universe but I don't believe they have ever visited the earth.

That video was 90 minutes long so I haven't watched it yet.

**Nurvingiel** · 10-14-2006, 03:28 PM

I do believe there is extraterrestrial life out there. That does not mean any UFOs seen on Earth, like Jonathan said, are of extraterrestrial origin.

I certainly think it's possible that somewhere in this universe there is other extraterrestrial life.

Spock · 10-14-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

I do believe there is extraterrestrial life out there.

OK.

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

I certainly think it's possible that somewhere in this universe there is other extraterrestrial life.

You said that already.

**Nurvingiel** · 10-14-2006, 03:46 PM

Oops. I can't read today. I also meant to add sentient extraterrestrial life.

I definitely think there's extraterrestrial life, and I'm open to the possibility that some of it is sentient.

Spock · 10-14-2006, 03:54 PM

...ok, so that's like the line from "Private Benjamin"......."you will be practicing throwing live grenades; some of them are inert and some are ert."

.....I guess bugs are included?.....

The Telcontarion · 10-14-2006, 04:05 PM

I see that people are replying without looking at the video. Let me clarify, I want your responses to the video specifically...how convincing did you find it.

It is a long one so, if you only have 30 minuits or less just watch that much, when you have seen it all, then make a reply. I promise you if you watch just 30 minuits of this video you will not be able to stop.

Spock · 10-14-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Telcontarion

Do you believe in UFOs: is there sentient life besides our own?!!!

SENTIENT=to perceive by the senses or capable of feeling or perception.

There are times I think that many on Terra do not qualify under this definition.

I'm not sure but there must be something out there better than us.

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Spock · 10-14-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Telcontarion

Do you believe in UFOs: is there sentient life besides our own?!!!

To address the first part of your question. YES!

***Jonathan*** · 10-14-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Spock

To address the first part of your question. YES!

So is that extraterrestrial UFOs or just UFOs in general?

The Telcontarion · 10-14-2006, 06:57 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...85100897567649

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26345538570434

***RÃan*** · 10-14-2006, 09:28 PM

I took it how Jonathan took it, and how it is normally taken in discussions like this - the #2 definition, where "conscious" is "aware of oneself as a thinking being; knowing what one is doing and why", or "same as self-conscious". (Websters)

Words need to mean something, but I think "dictionary" side-discussions should be with the goal of seeking/clarifying a meaning, and Jonathan's definition is clearly supported by a dictionary definition, and I think is the most reasonable definition to go by, given this topic (but of course, Telcontarion has the final word on what he meant!

) Second, third & etc. dictionary definitions aren't "less good" than the first; they exist because they're valid for certain uses of the word! *shrug* It's like when I use the word "faith", specifically giving the definition of "unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence", and people refuse to accept that this includes beliefs that are not accompanied by fancy clothing and smells and rituals.

As far as the original question - I think it is a possibility that a reasonable person cannot exclude. (I'll try to get to the video ... promise!)

Spock · 10-14-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RÃ*an

(but of course, Telcontarion has the final word on what he meant!

) Second, third & etc. dictionary definitions aren't "less good" than the first;

FIRST if he doesn't express himself exactly, in the manor the language provides, then he fails to communicate his ideas to those who utilize the language.

SECOND: 'less good' ...............don't get me started on grammar

***RÃan*** · 10-14-2006, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Spock

FIRST if he doesn't express himself exactly, in the manor the language provides, then he fails to communicate his ideas to those who utilize the language.

That's when we work together and try to clarify things

And the way Jonathan and I understand his use of the word is a perfectly valid way, according to the dictionary. But the best thing would be for him to get in here and clarify what he meant!

Quote:

SECOND: 'less good' ...............don't get me started on grammar

That's why it was in quotes.

And don't get me started on spelling!

*eyes a misspelled word*

Spock · 10-15-2006, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RÃ*an

And don't get me started on spelling!

*eyes a misspelled word*

yeah, me too......unfortunately I could barely focus my eyes much less my brain at that time and not doing too much better right now.

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I only know as much about myself as my mind can work on under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good.

**Nurvingiel** · 10-15-2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Telcontarion

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...85100897567649

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26345538570434

I looked at these videos, but I still doubt they were of extraterrestrial origin. I really don't think that any aliens have been to Earth.

The Telcontarion · 10-15-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

I looked at these videos, but I still doubt they were of extraterrestrial origin. I really don't think that any aliens have been to Earth.

I thought the long video was very convincing and very uplifting and positive it was really well done. With that being said, I am not exactly an advocate for this type of stuff, I just came across this video which was shockingly convincing to me; I thought I should share it.

**Nurvingiel** · 10-16-2006, 01:40 AM

I didn't look at the long one, just the two clips of the Russian MIGs. They feature objects you cannot see in any detail behaving in ways we wouldn't expect from objects of that size. The probability that they do not originate from Earth is very, very small IMO.

Lord of the Mark · 10-20-2006, 07:00 PM

I believe that there's intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, because if the universe goes on for forever then there's bound to be something.

trolls' bane · 11-01-2006, 01:53 AM

10-14-2006, 01:26 PM	#1
The Telcontarion The one true King of the human race, direct descendant of Adam and heir to the kings of old. "You owe me your fealty." The Tar Minyaturion Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: By the shores of cuivinien Posts: 694	Do you believe in UFOs: is there sentient life besides our own?!!! Here is a very convincing link. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...60742580339958 All points of view welcome. __________________ Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Ecclesiasticus 2:1-5 1 My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation... ...4 Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5 For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

10-14-2006, 03:54 PM	#6
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	...ok, so that's like the line from "Private Benjamin"......."you will be practicing throwing live grenades; some of them are inert and some are ert." .....I guess bugs are included?..... __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

10-14-2006, 04:05 PM	#7
The Telcontarion The one true King of the human race, direct descendant of Adam and heir to the kings of old. "You owe me your fealty." The Tar Minyaturion Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: By the shores of cuivinien Posts: 694	I see that people are replying without looking at the video. Let me clarify, I want your responses to the video specifically...how convincing did you find it. It is a long one so, if you only have 30 minuits or less just watch that much, when you have seen it all, then make a reply. I promise you if you watch just 30 minuits of this video you will not be able to stop. __________________ Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Ecclesiasticus 2:1-5 1 My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation... ...4 Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5 For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; Last edited by The Telcontarion : 10-14-2006 at 04:06 PM.

10-14-2006, 06:57 PM	#11
The Telcontarion The one true King of the human race, direct descendant of Adam and heir to the kings of old. "You owe me your fealty." The Tar Minyaturion Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: By the shores of cuivinien Posts: 694	shorter videos http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...85100897567649 http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26345538570434 __________________ Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Ecclesiasticus 2:1-5 1 My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation... ...4 Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5 For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

10-14-2006, 09:28 PM	#12
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	I took it how Jonathan took it, and how it is normally taken in discussions like this - the #2 definition, where "conscious" is "aware of oneself as a thinking being; knowing what one is doing and why", or "same as self-conscious". (Websters) Words need to mean something, but I think "dictionary" side-discussions should be with the goal of seeking/clarifying a meaning, and Jonathan's definition is clearly supported by a dictionary definition, and I think is the most reasonable definition to go by, given this topic (but of course, Telcontarion has the final word on what he meant! ) Second, third & etc. dictionary definitions aren't "less good" than the first; they exist because they're valid for certain uses of the word! shrug It's like when I use the word "faith", specifically giving the definition of "unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence", and people refuse to accept that this includes beliefs that are not accompanied by fancy clothing and smells and rituals. As far as the original question - I think it is a possibility that a reasonable person cannot exclude. (I'll try to get to the video ... promise!) __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 10-14-2006 at 09:41 PM.

10-14-2006, 02:16 PM	#2
*Jonathan* Entmoot Attorney-General, Equilibrating the Scales of Justice, Administrator ♎ Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 3,891	There are of course Unidentified Flying Objects, which can be unidentified aircraft or optical phenomena or whatever. You're thinking of UFOs of extraterrestrial origin. Their existance has yet to be proved. If you count dolphins and whales, then yes - there is sentient life besides our own . Perhaps there are sentient beings somewhere else in the universe but I don't believe they have ever visited the earth. That video was 90 minutes long so I haven't watched it yet. __________________ An unwritten post is a delightful universe of infinite possibilities. Set down one word, however, and it immediately becomes earthbound. Set down one sentence and itâ€™s halfway to being just like every other bloody entry thatâ€™s ever been written. ☻

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Lord of the Mark Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 32	I believe that there's intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, because if the universe goes on for forever then there's bound to be something.

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