Why Galadriel left Valinor?

Olmer · 06-04-2006, 04:09 PM

According to Tolkien, Galadriel had her own plans for Endor long before the revolt of Feanor. And, seems, her plans were very well accepted and approved by Valar.
"She did indeed wish to depart from Valinor and to go into the wide world of Middle-earth for the exercise of her talents; for "being brilliant in mind and swift in action she had early absorbed all of what she was capable of the teaching which the Valar thought fit to give the Eldar," and she felt confined in the tutelage of Aman. This desire of Galadriel's was, it seems, known to Manwё, and he had not forbidden her; but nor had she been given formal leave to depart. " ("UT")
So, the desire "to rule there a realm at her own will" (The Sillmarillion) was only her private reason.
What reason she gave to Valar to be singled out to leave Valinor with their blessing?
Your thoughts?

Landroval · 06-04-2006, 04:16 PM

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What reason she gave to Valar to be singled out to leave Valinor with their blessing?

This very quote sort of rules out the blessing of the valar (the valar didn't forbid the noldor to leave either, all were free); in the source you cited, it is further said that after the Alqualonde slaying, Manwe's leave "would undoubtedly have been withheld in that hour", but she left anyway.

durinsbane2244 · 06-04-2006, 04:24 PM

this should be in the sil thread...but, alas and alack, i am no mod...

Radagast The Brown · 06-04-2006, 04:35 PM

The Valar indeed hasn't formally given Galadriel permission to leave.. but it seems they would've, if not for the darkening of Valinor. ("...would undoubtedly have been withheld in that hour, however legitimate her desire in itself.") So the question still stands IMO - just replace the "gave" by "would give".

Gordis · 06-04-2006, 06:06 PM

Wasn't there a later version where Galadriel and her "Teleporno"

, now a Telerin Elf, sailed to ME separately from the Feanoreans, and, undoubtedly WITH the blessing of the Valar?

Tolkien so wished to make Galadriel a saint!

CAB · 06-04-2006, 07:46 PM

Interesting question Olmer.

I would guess that the answer is essentially in the quote you gave.

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for "being brilliant in mind and swift in action she had early absorbed all of what she was capable of the teaching which the Valar thought fit to give the Eldar," and she felt confined in the tutelage of Aman.

The pursuit of knowledge is a noble thing and would probably have been a suitable reason/excuse to give the Valar.

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Originally Posted by Gordis

Tolkien so wished to make Galadriel a saint!

Seems so. I prefer the earlier version. More realistic and fitting with the character seen in the Lord of the Rings.

Morwen · 06-02-2010, 01:20 PM

I believe that Galadriel is very proud, and did not wish to meet the confines of the Valar, such as they were. When the flight of the Noldor came about, Galadriel was still young (in elven terms, I mean) and had a rebellious spirit that matched her brothers.

06-04-2006, 04:09 PM	#1
Olmer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: LI-woods, NY Posts: 653	Why Galadriel left Valinor? According to Tolkien, Galadriel had her own plans for Endor long before the revolt of Feanor. And, seems, her plans were very well accepted and approved by Valar. "She did indeed wish to depart from Valinor and to go into the wide world of Middle-earth for the exercise of her talents; for "being brilliant in mind and swift in action she had early absorbed all of what she was capable of the teaching which the Valar thought fit to give the Eldar," and she felt confined in the tutelage of Aman. This desire of Galadriel's was, it seems, known to Manwё, and he had not forbidden her; but nor had she been given formal leave to depart. " ("UT") So, the desire "to rule there a realm at her own will" (The Sillmarillion) was only her private reason. What reason she gave to Valar to be singled out to leave Valinor with their blessing? Your thoughts?

06-04-2006, 04:24 PM	#3
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