Mouth of Sauron!

[JTB]

This is a thread for Mouth of Sauron fans! WHO'S WITH ME??!!

( Plus I'm just trying to become an Enting.)

Well, not a fan of the character, but I thought the film did a good job portraying him. Nice touch with the mouth. I only wish Aragorn hadn't beheaded him. Though I imagine the duel of wills that took place in the book would be difficult to portray.

[Andúril]

Padlock!

[durinsbane2244]

ok, well, respecting your wish to escape hobbitdom, i was wondering [insert long question that would take many posts to answer here], but yes, i do like the character

[rohirrim TR]

well i am curious as to what the lifespan of the mouth of sauron was because it says in the book that he was a black numenorean so I wonder if he knew enough black magic that he was immortal or if he was just a mortal man who was only a tool of sauron

[Harad]

In the book the character life span was inconsistent and didn't make sense. CT tried to trace it in various re-writings but could never make sense of it. He started out as Nazgul, btw.

In the movie that scene was a disgrace. PJ would rather insert one his favorites, a beheading, at the expense of Aragorn's honor. Not really nice, to behead an envoy during a parley.

[Gordis]

Originally Posted by rohirrim TR

well i am curious as to what the lifespan of the mouth of sauron was because it says in the book that he was a black numenorean so I wonder if he knew enough black magic that he was immortal or if he was just a mortal man who was only a tool of sauron

It is stated clearly in LOTR that he was a mortal!

The Mouth worked for Sauron for about 70 years, since his return to Mordor (since the Black Tower first arose again -in TA 2951), so he was not an old man (by Numenorean standards). He might have been the age of Aragorn.

Somehow people tend to think that a "Black Numenorean" was a Second age term only, so any Black Numenorean would be over 3000 years old. But it is not so. Actually, Black Numenoreans were a people of Numenorean origin living in Harad (and probably in Mordor as well) throughout the III age. Some of the rulers of Harad were Black Numenoreans.
There were many Numenoreans living in ME at the time of the Downfall, and so they survived. Some were "king's men", called Black Numenoreans, worshipping Morgoth and refusing to speak elvish. The others were "the faithful", still honoring the Valar and Eru, even after the Downfall. The faithful joined Isildur and Anarion and were the base of Gondor population. All Numenoreans were proud of their origin and tried not to mingle with lesser men. In the north, people of Numenorean descent were called "dunedain" = "men of the west" in Elvish. Some black numenoreans allied themselves with Sauron, others probably put the blame of Numenor's downfall both on Sauron and the Valar and so remained more or less neutral in Harad. Umbar corsairs were descendants of Black Numenoreans. Queen Beruthiel was a Black Numenorean. Mouth of Sauron was one also.