hunting

[Billy Bones]

hi its me billy bones i wanna hear wot u think of hunting. like the gun you have , the things u hunt or wot u dont like about it

[Lotesse]

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[Earniel]

I extremely dislike hunting. For one, I fail to see the need for it in modern society other than an archaic habit that more often than not completely disregard national laws and issues on animal well-being.

I also fail to see the use of breeding animals like pheasants and drop them in the wild just because some trigger happy people want to shoot them out of the sky.

When I think of hunting I think of arrogant people who cowardly poison foxes and birds of prey, even within wild reserves!, because they want to get rid of their competitors. Some of them even shoot cats, whether they are wild or somebody's pet. They're constantly lobby-ing to increase the periods where they can hunt, regardless of breeding- or hatching seasons.

When I think of hunting I think of the absolutely barbaric slaughters on Malta that they call hunting. I'm glad the EU is finally rethinking their stance of allowing it but I'd like to see some more enforcement still.

In Belgium since we have only a small percentage of wild reserves and hardly any natural predators left so populations of prey species like deer can get out of hand. In this sort of cases one must find a way to bring the population back to the numbers the environment can sustain. Often the only way to do that is shooting them. This manner of wild-life control, I can accept but it seems a far cry what modern day hunting practises entail today.

You'll have to forgive me my rather extreme stance on hunting. I'm sure there are hunters out there who have respect for the animals they hunt, but frankly , not in my experience.

[Andúril]

In Zimbabwe, when I was 15, I went for a walk up a hill to marvel at the surrounding landscape. I found some stones, and proceeded to throw them around.

Standing at the top of the slope, I found it more gratifying to roll the stones down the hill, as they built up some good speed, and bounced erratically. Fun!

However, as soon as I had rolled down the biggest stone, I saw a troop of mongese running across the general trajectory of the stone. I hope it doesn't hit one, I thought. Using their average speed, I estimated that the last mongoose would make it just in time.

I was wrong. One of them stopped, and stood up on it's hind legs. Exactly in the path of the rolling stone. Damn, he's gonna get it in the ribs, I thought. Unfortunately, it wasn't so lucky. About two meters from the mongoose, the stone bounced up, ricocheting off it's head. It stood there for about five seconds, and ran off to join the troop.

That is the closest I've ever come to hunting.

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Eärniel

I extremely dislike hunting. For one, I fail to see the need for it in modern society other than an archaic habit that more often than not completely disregard national laws and issues on animal well-being.

I also fail to see the use of breeding animals like pheasants and drop them in the wild just because some trigger happy people want to shoot them out of the sky.

When I think of hunting I think of arrogant people who cowardly poison foxes and birds of prey, even within wild reserves!, because they want to get rid of their competitors. Some of them even shoot cats, whether they are wild or somebody's pet. They're constantly lobby-ing to increase the periods where they can hunt, regardless of breeding- or hatching seasons.

When I think of hunting I think of the absolutely barbaric slaughters on Malta that they call hunting. I'm glad the EU is finally rethinking their stance of allowing it but I'd like to see some more enforcement still.

In Belgium since we have only a small percentage of wild reserves and hardly any natural predators left so populations of prey species like deer can get out of hand. In this sort of cases one must find a way to bring the population back to the numbers the environment can sustain. Often the only way to do that is shooting them. This manner of wild-life control, I can accept but it seems a far cry what modern day hunting practises entail today.

You'll have to forgive me my rather extreme stance on hunting. I'm sure there are hunters out there who have respect for the animals they hunt, but frankly , not in my experience.

Two years ago, I really didn't know, so I would have disagreed...but the way things are going...especially when it comes to fish, it's getting pretty unnatural.

I don't say hunting is bad, but the necessity of hunting is for food (that reason has decreased considerably), which is the one and only reason my father has had occasion to do so (and he hasnt in quite awhile).
Venison is quite good fresh.


Incidentally, the U.S. plans on bringing African Lions and other big Cats over to the wild midwest.

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Incidentally, the U.S. plans on bringing African Lions and other big Cats over to the wild midwest.

Are you serious.....?
'Cause anyone considering that would have to be somewhat deranged....North America has suffered enough due to the importing of non-indigenous animals.

[Spock]

I don't think it's the US govn't. There is a private ranch in Texas that stocks wild game and charges upwards of 10-20k per hunt with no guarantee of 'bagging' your game.

another location:Bigger cattle ranches, in particular, have begun catering to wealthier clientele. Tom Elliott, owner of Montana’s oldest ranch, the sprawling 48,000-acre N-Bar Ranch near Grass Range, carefully manages his range and timber operations to protect elk, deer and antelope herds. In the fall, his employees guide guests to the animals. He charges from $5,000 to $12,000 a hunt, depending on whether a deer or bull elk is shot. The income generated from the hunts is important to sustaining the ranch.

[Lief Erikson]

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Incidentally, the U.S. plans on bringing African Lions and other big Cats over to the wild midwest.

I already created a thread on this, here http://www.entmoot.com/showthread.php?t=12449.

Respond to the following question there, hectorberlioz:

It's actually been agreed upon? It's certain? What's your source for this piece of news?

Sidenote: I wish we could get the buffalo herds swarming our plains again, along with the African lions .

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

I already created a thread on this, here http://www.entmoot.com/showthread.php?t=12449.

Respond to the following question there, hectorberlioz:

It's actually been agreed upon? It's certain? What's your source for this piece of news?

Sidenote: I wish we could get the buffalo herds swarming our plains again, along with the African lions .

My dad was telling me about it, and I heard something on NPR about it.

Lions and buffalo! wow, thats a basis for a movie right there!

[rohirrim TR]

Originally Posted by Billy Bones

hi its me billy bones i wanna hear wot u think of hunting. like the gun you have , the things u hunt or wot u dont like about it

congrats on comingup with a controversial topic judging from your reactions I had better not comment

[brownjenkins]

i have no desire to ever shoot another living thing unless i absolutely have too

i do enjoy fishing though

[Spock]

rules, what rules, I didn't know about any rules, where ?

ok, I'll check.

I can't find anything that would prohibit this subject.

[Lotesse]

O.K., Billy Bones, now I've had a day to simmer down - I apologise to you publically for the uncalled-for namecalling and stuff that I threw your way yesterday, but however I still must reassert my passionate stance against the practice of sport-hunting, with deer-control situations like what Earniel mentioned being an only - an ONLY - exception. I find hunting to be stupid and cruel and unnecessary, and unfairr to the animals being hunted, and it makes my heart cry and rage inside when I see defenseless animals being injured without hope, in fact I am almost in tears right now just thinking about it.

[Spock]

Gee, if your a vegetarian I can almost understand your being upset L but otherwise many people enjoy stuff like hamburgers, etc. which don't grow on trees.