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02-18-2005, 01:05 PM
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The Shibboleth of Fëanor
I did a search and didn't see a thread on this.
I absolutely ADORED this work! It's in HoME 12, The Peoples of Middle Earth (POME). It's filled with all the stuff I like - linguistic history, looks into the lives of first-age elves, history and derivation of names, complete with translation styles into other languages, and a fascinating account of a mysterious little incident with Fëanor's youngest son. And a hilarious comment about someone's hair! I really disliked Fëanor - I was angry with what I thought were foolish and selfish decisions - but this work gave me a huge amount of understanding and insight and compassion for him - and then turns around and drops that little Umbarto gem on us! Who else likes this work? I was thinking about it again recently because El just ordered POME and a bunch of pages were missing - right in the Shibboleth!!  
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun!  Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?*"How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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02-18-2005, 05:49 PM
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Hair
I really like it! For all your reasons and more...
One thing is that hidden link between LotR and the old mythology. Fëanor begged thrice for a tress of Galadriel´s hair but was rejected. Gimli asked once for one hair - and was given three. Sort of wraps up things nicely...
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02-18-2005, 06:59 PM
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For me, it created such a poignant picture of Fëanor's heartbreak over his mother, and how miscommunications piled up to the exploding point (for example, thinking Indis was dropping the Þ sound to insult his mother, when she was only doing it to show honor to her new husband). Quote:
El - maybe I had my search parameters to only this year ... but I don't think there was a recent thread on the Shibboleth anyway.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?*"How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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02-18-2005, 10:36 PM
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The Shibboleth definitely cements my impression of Fëanor:
arrogant, selfish idiot. I love all the names that show up...I've got quite a taste for Quenya.  It's somewhat neat how Nerdanel finally gave the name "Umbarto" for one of the twins... Goes with the whole idea of predestination, methinks. She seems to have been quite the prophetess.
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02-19-2005, 09:29 AM
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I love the Shibboleth, used to have quotes from it in my sig..."Fell and fey you have become"...
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02-23-2005, 03:33 PM
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It is just SO Professor Tolkien to "hunt down" the backstory behind a linguistic change and dig up the "true" reasons behind it - really fun!
I love how the first three paragraphs are the "detective work" behind the change from s to Þ - things like noting the Ñoldor lived between the Vanyar and the Teleri in Valinor, and thus could not be unfamiliar with the sound. Then he says, "The change Þ to s must therefore have been a conscious and deliberate change agreed to and accepted by a majority of the Ñoldor, however initiated, after the separation of their dwellings from the Vanyar." I love how he himself is immersed into his secondary reality world! I also love how he describes how the change started, but was "attacked by the loremasters, who pointed out that the damage this merging would do in confusing stems and their derivatives that had been distinct in sound and sense had not yet been sufficiently considered." I just picture these Elvish loremasters having a violent committee meeting about this and it makes me smile It's also interesting that the chief linguistic loremaster was - guess who - Fëanor! Which starts to hint at the reason why the change was made ...
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?*"How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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02-18-2005, 05:59 PM
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This is the very first Shibboleth thread...?
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 I loved what I did read of it. I'll certainly keep up with the thread, RÃ*an, but I don't have access to the story at the moment... You're going to have to brief me on what your discussing! 
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Shouldn't this to in the "Slim" forum?
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03-22-2005, 10:04 PM
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03-22-2005, 10:21 PM
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(only about 35 pages or so, including appendicies)SGH, the Shibboleth is callllling you....
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?*"How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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03-22-2005, 10:32 PM
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03-22-2005, 10:42 PM
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(keep an eye out for ships and smoke!!
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?*"How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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