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09-09-2004, 04:07 PM | #1 |
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The Ring and those of power
This is something that has been bugging me for a while so I decided to start a thread on it.
If the Ring had passed to Valinor what would have happened. What if one of the Valar possesed it, say Manwe or Ulmo, would they have been able to conquer and possibly destroy it or would they have arisen as a new ienev more powerful Dark Lord. Does it say anything or is it something we will just never know!
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09-09-2004, 04:15 PM | #2 |
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Well, rest easy. I think Elrond says something in the chapter 'The Council of Elrond' about how those in the West would not receive it... that it belonged to Middle Earth and was for those in Middle Earth to handle the situation.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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09-09-2004, 04:18 PM | #4 |
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They could surely resist the temptation. And I don't think the Ring will affect them, as they're mcu hstronger than it, and than Sauron. I'm not sure if they could destroy it - I believe they could. But that the people of Middle Earth could not sail for them to help - they had to solve this themselves.
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09-09-2004, 04:22 PM | #5 |
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I don't think the Valar would risk bringing an evil thing like the Ring into the Blessed Realm. Besides, it would be bad for the moral of the people in Middle Earth. It is better for them to deal with their problems themselves, and be enhanced in the process.
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09-09-2004, 04:36 PM | #6 |
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Aren't we're talking about the theoretical possibility that the Ring somehow gets to the Valar? Because it was obviously not.. practical? Wasn't it his question?
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09-09-2004, 04:39 PM | #7 |
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Yes it was.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
09-09-2004, 04:58 PM | #8 |
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The ring would have effected the Valar similar to the way it effected Tom Bombadil. In no way at all. Probably less even! The Valar could have probably destroyed the ring, as it says the ring could be destroyed by the undying fire where it was made, by the very hand of its maker, or someone of equal or greater power. Like Aule the greates Smith of them all! So if the Valar had cared for the matter, it could have been over in seconds. Yet as it has been said before Middle-Earth's fate is Middle-Earths fate and the Valar will not intervein. They removed Morgoth and then they were done. I am pretty sure that it is said somehwere that the Valar will return in the final battle, similar to Ragnarok in Norse myth, and all will fall and the world will crumble. Yet I digress! The ring would not go to Valinor and the Valar would do nothing about it, and thats the answer.
I do wonder though... if the ring did come to Valinor in some way, not in an attempt for the help of the Valar, but just brought there somehow. I wonder if one of the noble elven divisions, like the Vanyar, had allowed one ofthem to attain the ring. Would one of the elves of Valinor become corrupted!? They are just elves after all.
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