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I don't know if some of these topics have already been discussed in the other threads. But i want to start a thread that would discuss about any question in relation to the LOTR books. I have gathered a few ones here:
1. Were there other Rangers mentioned in the books? 2. Was Arwen married to Aragorn? Did they have a son? 3. What kind of being was Sauron? 4. After the journey, did Legolas and Gimli travel back to Moria and Forest Fangorn? 5. Did all the elves sail to the Undying Lands? 6. What is meant by this: "The time of the elves is over."? It sounded as if the elves had no choice but to leave Middle Earth. 7. What would happen if the elves never left Middle Earth? 8. Why did Frodo leave for the Grey Havens? 9. Have the entmaidens been found? 10. Which of the following creatures is the biggest/tallest in Middle Earth: troll, ent, or oliphaunt?
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If you read Appendix A then you will see it says that Ellandan, Elrohir and Celeborn among other high elves stayed in Rivendell.
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Just a side note isnt it entwives???
However I was rpettey sure that they were all killed and who said their couldnt be Ents in the shire I mean Old Man Willow was around there or at least realtively close for an Ent so maybe they had a couple Ents down their as well. Oh and here is a question: Oliphant vs. Troll vs. Ent who wins. I go with Oliphant because it runs over the other two.
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about your last question: 10. Which of the following creatures is the biggest/tallest in Middle Earth: troll, ent, or oliphaunt? I'd say Oliphaunt, Ent, Troll. Ents I think would be larger than Trolls because Trolls were a mockery of Ents, as Orcs were of Elves (though their actual making is debated - we won't go there.) Do you agree guys (as in all thread participants)? Am I getting my Ent-Troll lore straight there? More about Trolls, I believe Sauron corrupted the evil yet stupid mountain Trolls and gave them intelligence, and maybe a desire to be less reclusive. As a side note, the only time I can recall giants being mentioned in the Hobbit (unless the same thing happens in LOTR) is at Caradrhas, when a storm, and giants hurling rocks, forced them to take shelter on the goblin's doorstep. Are giants residence of the Misty Mountains different to Trolls, or was he refering to Trolls here?
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Giant Discussion As for the size order of those various beasts - it's just a matter of speculation on our parts. I MIGHT think of the Ents (at least the taller ones - they varied greatly according to tree species) as taller than Oliphaunts though - but of course the O's would vastly outweigh them. You're right about Trolls being a corruption or mockery of Ents.
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In the Letters, he says that the Entwives are all dead. I can get a citation for you, if you like. Also, Hal said he saw a tree-man.
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But if it was the first time he had seen one then he wouldn't have known the difference. I would be interested to see the citation.
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Your best bet is to do a little more reading. Since you have LOTR, your best bet is to read the appendices. Most people read the books and see all that extra stuff and can't imagine WHY they should read it... but it's just PACKED with all kinds of extra information. At least four or five of your questions are answered there... and there's lots of other great information you'll like too. Appendix A glosses over ancient history (see next paragraph), but then gives more detailed histories of Arnor and Gondor in the Third Age, about Aragorn and Arwen, about Rohan and about Dwarves. Appendix B gives timelines from the Second and Third Ages - but also gives key events of the Fourth Age - so you can see what happens to some of the characters and when. Beyond that, it's a matter of interest - C has Hobbit family trees, D is about Calendars, etc. If you want to get into the more ancient histories - which focus mostly on the Elves - you'll definitely want to read 'The Silmarillion'. It's a collection of stories which JRRT was working on for most of his adult life. Great stuff! And - it will answer more of your questions. For at least one of your questions, #10 - I don't think you'll find an answer in Tolkien's work... he leaves some things to the imagination.
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Hmm, find that I have to agree with Val that more reading is necessary, to understand the explanation.
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