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08-26-2004, 06:04 AM | #1 |
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Bill Ferny: Man or Hobbit
Unless I'm mistaken I don't think Tolkien ever says in LotR whether Bill Ferny is a Man or a Hobbit. There is evidence to show both.
Hobbit: Bill was a pony not a horse and men don't usually have ponies. Man: He took up the squint-eyed Southener and the ruffians. Is there any other evidence to suggest he is either because if would really lik to know.
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08-26-2004, 06:08 AM | #2 |
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I always thought he was like a wicked tall Hobbit. But if anyone with real evidence comes a long I will accept it as factual
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08-26-2004, 06:09 AM | #3 |
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I always assumed he was a hobbit until I really thought about it.
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08-26-2004, 06:14 AM | #4 |
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well some hobbits could take on men and maybe Bill was one of them
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08-26-2004, 06:16 AM | #5 |
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Yes but Aragorn said that Bill knew the lands around Bree well and if he was a hobbit I doubt that he'd go travelling round the lands near Bree just to get one over on Strider or for luxery.
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08-26-2004, 06:29 AM | #6 |
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but hes already pretty unusual for working at the prancing pony. He probably has a little adventurous spirit in him. So he probably did go walk around Bree
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I always assumed Ferny was a Hobbit, can't say why really. But judging from the quote here, I think he may more likely have been a man. from FOTR, chapter "at the sign of the Prancing Pony": Quote:
From FOTR, chapter "A knife in the dark" Quote:
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08-26-2004, 08:00 AM | #8 |
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Wow thanks Eärniel.
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Darn, Earnil beat me to it. Yes, Bill Ferny was a man, for the reasons she gave.
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08-26-2004, 04:41 PM | #10 |
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okay wel that settles that Bill Ferny was a man. WIPEEEE!!!!!!! But if he was a hobbit do you think he would have been bad too?
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08-26-2004, 04:44 PM | #11 |
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Dunno but if he was imagine him with the Ring hehehe
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yeah but when it refers to men it could technically according to some mean that he is a male hobbit. So he could technically still be a hobbit. but I think he is a man. Im just playing devil's advocate
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Tolkien rarely, if ever, referred to Hobbits as men in LotR, I think to avoid confusion.
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He also referred to Bilbo as a gentlehobbit not a gentleman, although he does refer to a postman in Hobbiton..... I have always thought Bill Ferny was a Man - I don't know why, but as supporting evidence in addition to that already posted ..... Quote:
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And as already posted it said one of the men's surnames was Ferny.
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