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Celeborn's age
Does anyone know how old Celeborn is? he's a kinsman of Thingol, but does that mean he was born at Cuivienen(?), or on the Great Jouney, or at Doriath?
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Tolkien changed his idea on this a few times. Originally, he was seen as a close decendent of Thingol, but later a good bit older, possibly on par with Galadriel, born in Valinor or a bit earlier.
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My understanding was that Celeborn hadn't been to Valinor, but lived in Doriath.
I am aware that the story of Celeborn and Galadriel was changed many times and no "final" version was settled upon by JRRT before his death. Unfinished Tales has various bits and pieces of these versions. |
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![]() I always go by published info in these cases, as christopher Tolkien said himself the silmarillion is the official story; the home presented corrections, but for continuuity you follow the sil.
in the sil, he was said to be a prince of Doriath and close kin to thingol, so I assume he was born sometime after the awakening but probably before the founding of Doriath.
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Yeah, maybe on the jouney to valinor
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He's Thingol's, brother's grandson, if you look at the family trees in the back. It's probably safe to assume that he is a little older, but probably close to the same age as his lady. Give or take a century or two.
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So, while CT may call the Sil "the official story", JRR might not agree. To me, the official story is undecided, as is true with much regarding the first age.
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![]() Yes you are right, I do believe that JRR would have changed it to that version of the story where galadriel actually leaves valinor before feanor does. But that did not happen, what is published is what I would go by not the later notes etc.
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