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12-15-2003, 09:53 PM | #1 |
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From Dogma
) Having belief isn’t good? B) I think it is better to have ideas. You can change an idea. A belief is trickier. Life should be malleable and progressive; working from idea to ideas permit this. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth; new ideas can’t generate. Life becomes stagnant. Debate that is the only way people reaffirm that they are alive-by debating. In all its forms. We spend our whole lives debating: we fight about who is right who is wrong, we fight ourselves, we fight each other, we death, we fight over beliefs. People say life is a struggle. It is no. It is about living….belief is a dangerous thing. People die for it and people kill for it
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12-15-2003, 09:57 PM | #2 |
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If someone believes that belief is a dangerous thing...that's a belief, isn't it? So people will fight over that... People fight. That's how it always was and always will be.
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12-15-2003, 10:52 PM | #3 |
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For someone who doesn't like beliefs so much, you sure do spout a bunch of them. Regards, Dave
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12-15-2003, 10:54 PM | #4 |
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Who? Not me...I love belief. I believe in beliefs!
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12-15-2003, 10:56 PM | #5 |
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i have no problem with beliefs... i just believe that they should be questioned... regularly...
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12-15-2003, 11:09 PM | #6 |
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I believe Ill have another beer.
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I don't think beliefs and ideas are related really. Ideas are more like "I think we should do such and such about the palestinian crisis." or having an idea to solve something, versus "I believe the Palestinians are right." or "I believe the Israelis are right" or "I believe in god". On the other hand, I think that opinions allow for more gray areas and are far easier to change based on the circumstances and facts that come to light.
I have opinions and they change on the circumstances and facts. These are developed through personal observation and analysis. Opinions are much easier to change than beliefs.
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I have a few little beliefs, but I have seen them change over the years....I know they are based on what is/has happened, and the future might change them, like it or not.
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12-16-2003, 02:02 PM | #10 |
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some other related quotes for you (which I know Rian will assail me on ):
"I don't 'believe' in anything. I know certain things - little things, not the Nine Billion Names of God - from experience. But I have no beliefs/ Belief gets in the way of learning." - Lazarus Long "Most people can't think, most of the remainder won't think, the small fraction who do think mostly can't do it very well. The extremely tiny fraction who think regularly, accurately, creatively, and without self-delusion- in the long run these are the only people who count..." - Lazarus Long
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He was definitely a smart man. Naval academy grad, right? Also - well versed in the laws of physics and mathematical equations that govern gravity, orbits, etc - which he used to keep a sense of reality in his writings. Also seemed quite 'up' on philosophy, etc.
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12-17-2003, 04:39 PM | #15 |
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I thihnk we could substitute the concept of "ideas" and "beliefs" into scientific terms I think they would translate as being similar to the word relationship between "hypothesis" and "conclusion". That's not necessarily the best analogy, especially on a much broader scale, but it serves well enough. Ideas, like the hypothesis, is the founding point for later conclusions or firmer convictions.
I do however, like the philosophy of not holding any beliefs but having a few good ideas. It's always good to be flexible. Too much strife happens when beliefs clash. On the other hand when ideas clash they are still in that "cooking" or "testing" phase so it's a lot more open environment all around.
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12-18-2003, 03:42 AM | #20 |
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To take that quote further, what if we did know? To me, life would cease to be interesting. While I don't admit to holding any fear of death, I am fascinated by it's uncertainty and inevitability. If we knew what awaited us, life would be duller. It's like reading the last chapter of a book first, or someone spoiling a good movie, or using an online walkthrough to beat a good video game. It's just not interesting anymore and ALWAYS a disappointment.
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