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09-09-2004, 03:57 PM | #1 |
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"I hope so."
Hey, in FotR, at the end of the chapter titled 'Strider' (sorry, I just read it, but can't remember the number of the chapter), one of the hobbits says, I believe, something about the Nazgul coming back, and then Strider says "I hope so." What was mean by that, do you think? I mean, was this just something Tolkien put in there to keep us guessing whether or not Strider was a good guy, or did it have a deeper meaning. The line seems strange coming from Aragorn, and I was thinking we might discuss it.
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09-09-2004, 03:59 PM | #2 |
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What page is it on?
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
09-09-2004, 04:17 PM | #3 |
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I just checked... his 'I hope so' is actually in response to what Merry says when he hears about the incident in the meeting room. Merry says that the worthies of Bree would be talking about the episode for one hundred years. Strider saying 'I hope so' indicates that for them to be able to do so, all will have gone well and the Enemy would not have conquered.
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09-09-2004, 04:19 PM | #4 |
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I don't get that. Surely that means there will be news of the Ring bearer and that they would be followed.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
09-09-2004, 04:43 PM | #5 |
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Oh, right. 'Worthies of Bree'. Yeah, I think it would mean that people would be on their tails, spreading news of some guy who turned invisible. Talk of that kind would certainly catch the eye of the Enemy (no pun about the eye was originally intended ). I don't think I'd want people to talk about it.
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Aragorn wasn't saying "I hope so" to the immediate future. He was making the statment about the end of the War of the Ring, assuming all had gone well. Aragorn was lementing the future, and their fate. Not to mention the knowledge of the ring in the Shire and in Bree was already known to the enemy. Both Sauron and Saruman both knew the ring was found and it was in the Shire, moving east to Bree. The Nazgul had arrived at Bree and attempted to kill the Hobbits. So I don't think the hundred years of talk about the ring bearrer would have any more negative impact on Frodo & Co. after leaving.
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09-09-2004, 04:50 PM | #7 |
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Unless there could have been others searching for it. What if Gollum found that it was travelling towards Rivendell. He could have strangled Strider, Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin in their sleep.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
09-10-2004, 02:36 AM | #8 |
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Didn't Gandalf say something like this to Bilbo before he left?
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
09-10-2004, 05:51 AM | #9 |
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I have always considered Aragorn's response to be as Valandil suggests - hope that there will be a future where such events are not commonplace and that "worthy" people will be discussing them as an amazing event in the past. This also suggests that there will be nothing more momentous to discuss.
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09-11-2004, 01:07 AM | #10 |
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This type of line is in movies all the time. Its like evil foreshadowing. Just to throw doubt in there. Its just saying that Aragorn hopes Bree wil be there in 100 years because of Saurons rise. However I am no master of expressions so I am also inclined ot hink that maybe its just a common englush phrase.
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09-18-2004, 03:52 AM | #11 |
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It's not a common English phrase so it was probably hoping that Bree will still be able to talk about it in a hundred years.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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