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03-17-2003, 09:35 PM | #1 |
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Bush addresses the world- Pending War
After discussing this with Ben, we have decided to allow this thread for members to talk about the pending war on Iraq by US led forces. You will discuss the situation intelligently and civilly. Any flaming, or violation of the posting policies will result in immediate closure of this thread, and other possible action.
We are extending this courtesy to you because it is such an important topic that affects us all. Please do not take advatage of this privilege. No flaming, no country bashing, no personal attacks directed toward other members. If you can not control your temper and discuss the topic without flaming, DO NOT post. Let the discussion begin.
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03-17-2003, 09:44 PM | #2 |
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Thank you.
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03-17-2003, 09:50 PM | #3 |
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I only have a few beginning comments, but I would like to put them in the Tolkien perspective of things, just to match what this board is all about
'To Iraq!' the Ents cried in many voices. 'To Iraq!' To Iraq! Though Iraq be ringed and barred with doors of stone; Though Iraq be strong and hard, as cold as stone and bare as bone, We go, we go, we go to war, to hew the stone and break the door; For bole and bough are burning now, the furnace roars - we go to war! To land of gloom with tramp of doom, with roll of drum, we come, we come; To Iraq with doom we come! With doom we come, with doom we come! It is about damn time we overthrow this tyrant and free the people of Iraq from this despot!
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03-17-2003, 09:56 PM | #5 |
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*sigh* Oh well, it's come to this.....such is the way of the world.
It seems that the Royal Marines will be spearheading the attack, I guess that's what they signed up for...[no appropriate smiley]. I don't welcome the war but I still hope the Brits come home safe and sound...Good Luck lads |
03-17-2003, 10:09 PM | #6 |
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Does anyone really think that Hussein and his sons will go into exile?
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03-17-2003, 10:17 PM | #8 | |
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03-17-2003, 10:22 PM | #9 | |
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03-17-2003, 10:27 PM | #10 | |
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I went to a candlelight vigil for peace last night...i really dont want to go to war
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03-17-2003, 10:29 PM | #11 |
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ABCNews has been having a new Special - it'll be on until 11:00.
I hope no one dies either. I wish Hussein would just go into excile. I wish he would have turned over his WMD. I wish we wouldn't have been going to war. But I'm a realist - this was the only way to prevent Hussein from continuing his weapons programs and in the future threatening the world. Now I hope the war goes smoothly - most of the Iraqi army gives up like the last time, that the oil wells don't get blown up, that there aren't any successful terrorist attacks, that Iraq doesn't successfully bomb Israel or any of it's neighbors and that we rebuild Iraq into a free democracy.
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03-17-2003, 10:30 PM | #12 | |
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As for Sadam and his sons leaving Iraq: that will not happen. Sadam has been defiant in every way. He will not comply now, not even if it means war. I pity that country. They are in for a terrible beating.
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03-17-2003, 10:31 PM | #13 | |
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The way I look at the alert - whether it's green or red - there is always the chance of a terrorist attack.
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03-17-2003, 10:33 PM | #14 |
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My point was that rather than hoping that the people of your own nationality don't die, IMO at least, it would be far better to hope that ALL casualties are minimized.
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03-17-2003, 10:39 PM | #16 | |
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The war is going to happen, hopefully with a minimum of casualties on all sides.....surely that is the hope for all, both pro-action and anti-action??? Gods, I hope so |
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03-17-2003, 10:40 PM | #17 |
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And what about the Aussie SAS troops just joking i too hope that everyone comes back alive but as is the way with war i know that this wont be the case
as most people would agree i dont like the prospect of war but im not going to go out and have a go at the soldiers for doing there job like what shamefully happened with vietnam... as for Bush's speech i am just waiting to what happens to those iraqi soldiers that do refuse orders... i think war is imminent and Saddam will not back down... i know that warfare has changed in the last 100 years but i just keep thinking WW1 when 'specialists' on the news say it will be over in a few strikes
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03-17-2003, 10:46 PM | #19 |
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No, I did not. Someone who is against war would not be very likely to feel that way. But that is what it sounds like, when you say specifically that you hope that the British come home safely, especially when the movement is being headed by the Americans.
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