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08-21-2004, 07:02 AM | #1 |
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Was Bilbo really needed
I was just wondering if people thought Bilbo was really needed. I mean yes he found the ring but thats just backsight(or whatever you call it) Was he important to the quest? Ill answer after I hear you guys.
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08-21-2004, 07:34 AM | #2 |
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Well, hobbit sensibility and practicality can't be under-written. I wonder if, had not Bilbo stumbled across the ring, the ring would have found it's way to an erstwhile young hobbit who, with a little help from his friends (ooh, I get by with a little help from my friends....) had the gumption to march up to the front door of the baddie, and drop his ring down a fiery crack of doom. Interesting.
Bilbo also provided the "heads-up" to Gandalf with regards to it being an ring of power. I wonder if Gandalf would have noticed as soon (!) as he did if the ring had not come to the shire?
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but without knowing about the ring. Put yourself at the very end of the adventure. Is Bilbo necessary. Dont think about the ring thing. THough actually now that I think about ti if not for Bilbo the dwarves would be with the spiders or in the clutches of the Elf king. So I proved myself wrong. Hehehehehe I guess he was necessary.
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08-21-2004, 08:24 AM | #4 |
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Quest or story? Bilbo makes the story...( very amusing! ) The last bit, without Bilbo is rather dry and boring.
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well he is needed for both quest and story.
The quest wouldnt have suceeded if he hadnt freed them from the Elven kingdom and from the spiders. Also you are right the story woul dhave been pretty dry without him
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08-21-2004, 12:18 PM | #6 |
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Bilbo was, IMO, the most important in this story, except Gandalf and Thorin. What about the dragon? Without him, I bet the dwarves wouldn't have done anything, scared to wake up the dragon. (with reason, though )
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01-07-2005, 03:59 PM | #7 |
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goodday ,i pesonally think billbo was needed because................................ froddo i belive was not even born yet(am i right, or am i right? ) please someone go look that up 'cause i doing this out of memory
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The hobbit was only written to allow the Lord of the rings to written, but I don't think he would have been much use if he had'nt found the ring.
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01-07-2005, 05:01 PM | #10 |
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Actually the hobbit was written before Tolkein had firmly conceptualized the LOTR.
In the original version Bilbo won the ring in a riddle game with gollum. But having already found it, he got gollum to show him the way out. Tolkein later changed this when he decided that the ring was "the one". He did it pretty neatly, mind you, using the original story as bilbo's lie.... In any event, you can't really say that in the original story Bilbo had to be there to find the one ring, because he didn't find the one ring in the original story. It was a children's story in it's original conception. The Hobbit was likely there sheerly for appeal. No not sex appeal... Appeal as someone, who though not a child, still had a childlike viewpoint, and a sense of wonder. The fact that the story doesn't just appeal to children is evidence of how well Tolkein crafted...
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He found smags weakness. He found the one ring (but this is not importent in the hobbit). So I think he was needed. P.S. Start a tread like this and you'll get an icredable number of posts saying the same thing!
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he was needed, because he just was, and without him gollum keeps ring, ring doesn't get destroyed, Sauron takes over world. Nah, he wasn't important at all
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