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11-03-2003, 10:03 AM | #1 | |
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LOTR = Typical Action Films?
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If you want to call PJ's movies "action stories," that's fine. But then prepare yourself to defend the Tolkien books against the same charge. The reality is that JRR Tolkien's incredible books -- AND Peter Jackson's films -- are much more than that. |
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11-03-2003, 11:13 AM | #2 | ||
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BB you are really amusing. Since I haven’t spoke of, yet, of “ents attack on Isengard, the battle of Helm's Deep, the wizard's duel, Gandalf versus the Balrog, the cave troll attack” your rant becomes, let’s face it, absurd. Ask first about it, then you would be entitled to criticize the answer, that’s the way it works. Quote:
Now BB, we know you love the movies, but you have obviously a problem with the lighter types of the movie entertainment industry. Otherwise why deny the obvious? Why such a need to be calling the movies something they obviously are not? They are action movies. PJ wanted to, and did produce action movies. Do you think there is something degrading, shameful about an action movie? Is that it? That only deep, thoughtful movies are truly “proper” movies? If you enjoy the movies much more than the books, it is your personal taste, BB. You don’t need to feel ashamed of it; it is acceptable. You don’t need to claim the movies are what they are not, nor were meant to be. Accept it, and enjoy it, calling an car a tree don’t makes the former into the later, you know…
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I'm bad, no really... QUOTES: “We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyze what was important to Tolkien and to try to honor that. In a way, we were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves. “ PJ “Obviously we're taking this incredible novel and we're adapting it into films, and I think the film is the important thing. “ Peter Jackson on The Today Show, December 5, 2002 Last edited by Nazgul King Squirrel : 11-03-2003 at 11:15 AM. |
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11-03-2003, 12:36 PM | #3 |
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I doubt anyone here is against action taking place in lotr. As long as it isn't overdone and overemphazised, cough, helms deep, cough. But I can only speak for myself. Even though some action maybe lengthy in these films I feel they still have meaning and a deeper purpose. There are no movies even similair to these. THe movie keeps a purpose with providing adequate action sequences. These cannot be typical action films, at all.
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11-03-2003, 02:13 PM | #4 |
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I believe that everything that Thranduil has to say is great! Now that there is finally somebody here that knows what they are talking about I might start posting some of my wonderful ideas. I have long watched this site monitoring every nook and cranny that you have posted. But back on the subject I apoligize for my outburst. The movies that were produced depict a realm that nobody has every been to. These movies are very acurate to the books. though I know that some of you may disagree, I do think that some things have been left out that should not have been overall the movies could not have been better.
They are not a typical action film. In my view even better then the books. |
11-03-2003, 02:34 PM | #5 |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by GenX
[B]I believe that everything that Thranduil has to say is great! Now that there is finally somebody here that knows what they are talking about I might start posting some of my wonderful ideas. I have long watched this site monitoring every nook and cranny that you have posted. I'm glad something I said was appreciated, but i'm not sure what this had to do with the subject. |
11-03-2003, 02:53 PM | #6 | |
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In criticizing the films for their action-orientation, the Jackson bashers only end up belittling the very story they profess to love. |
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11-03-2003, 04:12 PM | #7 | |
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Re: LOTR = Typical Action Films?
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You are so ignorant - first of all no one - including me has said that there could be NO action. of crouse there would be the trolls marching on Isengard and so forth. The thing is - he had the Black Riders cutting off the head of a hobbit, they stormed the gates of bree, the whole scene on weather top was way out there. The wizards duel I can't believe you are bringing this up - the wizards duel took away time that could have been used to have the gif giving scene. He extended actions scenes that didn't need to be - such as the troll in moria. The fellowship never fought the troll. The scene is about 15 minutes long. Another example is the Council of Elrond. the council was a very calm affair - it did not end in a screaming match. Farmer maggot is another thing - he didn't have to have farmer maggot chasing them through his fields. Pippin and Merry ddin't even steal his mushrooms or anything. Again he added an action sequence which was a scene that actually showed the characters and was a very nice scene in the book. Jackson turned many scenes from none action to action and he increased the action five fold on the action scenes.
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11-03-2003, 04:20 PM | #8 |
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yes, jackson made many scenes more action oriented than in the books, to please the audience and to keep them entertained. It is true that many parts annoy many book readers, but not all of the changes and additional action scenes were bad. I think that although he added action, it remained its own movie with good plots. Not all of the action was used to look amazing, but to give a feeling of the real danger they had to face, i think.
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11-03-2003, 04:27 PM | #9 | |
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Another thing - look at how Pippin and Merry were portrayed in Fellowship of the Ring. As I said - they were not innocent as in the book - they came across as brain dead idiots as demonstrated in the fireworks scene.
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11-03-2003, 04:56 PM | #11 |
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Action Ringwraiths
You call the ringwraiths action villains? How absurd and amusing. If you will notice, the RW's only clash swords with two people, and both in the same ten minutes, Samwise and Aragorn. The rest of the time they are riding around screeching or stabbing empty beds. They totally inspire fear, and give you massive chills and headaches.
P.S. Thranduil, it is ButterBUR not ButterBEER.
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11-03-2003, 05:20 PM | #13 | |
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They seemed to be more afraid in general - not quaking in fear of the Nazgul. Not resulting from psychological fear.
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11-03-2003, 07:57 PM | #15 |
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Well,I agree that PJ's movies can't be considered as action movies and as Thranduil said action is good as long as it's not overdone ( ok maybe some scenes are extreme ). But I was really annoyed with many other things ( Gimli is a clown, Arwen replaced Glorfinel etc). It was not what I expected...
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11-03-2003, 08:19 PM | #17 |
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Myself Being a dwarf fanatic, I was surprised when I saw the movies how much Gimli had changed from a honorable and somewhat quiet dwarf to the comic relief. People are hard to please, and some changes had to be made, but come on? Dwarven comedies?
P.S. It doesn't even finish the kill count which proves a dwarf with an axe is better than an elf with a bow and two (supposed to be one) knives.
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11-03-2003, 08:39 PM | #19 |
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Thank you for your understanding Thranduil and Cassius I'm glad you feel that way too.
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11-03-2003, 08:56 PM | #20 |
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Aden and Thranduil are right action's ok but...
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