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01-18-2003, 08:22 PM | #1 |
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Arwen at Helm's Deep.......
I was over at theonering.net the other day and came across this article. Check this out, maybe this will tie in some gaps for what we think might happen in RotK as far as Arwen coming to Aragorn goes....
------ Was Arwen At Helm's Deep? Demosthenes @ 4:25 pm EST Council of Elrond regular Fran recently did a bit of screencapping from a Two Towers bootleg. She discovered something interesting. It appears that WETA missed a few shots of Arwen at Helm's Deep, and that if you look closely enough - and freezeframe an awful lot - you can probably spot her in the final charge. Here's the proof. We think. http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/5819 http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/5820 http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/5818 ---------- Well there are some pics of her and what was found.....
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
01-19-2003, 12:48 AM | #2 |
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Well, from what I understand, those pics you posted with "arwen" in them are just there because that was their original plan, to have her in the battle, but then (thankfully!) they took her out, so I don't really see what you're trying to say...?
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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01-19-2003, 09:24 AM | #4 |
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It's just an illusion, Dúnedain.
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01-19-2003, 03:11 PM | #5 |
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So do you think that's where she was going when she left Rivendell? Did they make her one of the elves that came w/ Haldir, and she just stayed in disguise or something? If it is supposed to be part of the movie and wasn't an idea they abandoned, I wonder how it will be addressed in RotK. It would be better for them just to have her show up w/ the banner in Gondor at her appointed time!
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01-19-2003, 03:43 PM | #7 |
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Actually I meant under the silver banner at the end with all the elven-folk -- sorry to be unclear. But you're right, they may do it that way. In fact, it's probable, if the rumors of her bringing Narsil are correct.
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between the time the elves arrived and the battle began, when would arwen get the chance to give aragorn narsil? he was around people at all times.
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01-20-2003, 01:59 AM | #12 |
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The three images above are not the only Arwen remnants or evidence that was found . . there are other images . . Initially, Legolas is the only one who shown with a white horse . . however when Theoden, Aragorn, Legolas and company storm out of Helms Deep . . well, check out the following pictures:
http://www.imagemagician.org/images/...enhorsett1.jpg The charge from Helms Deep shows Legolas on his white horse . . but wait . . http://www.imagemagician.org/images/.../arwenttt3.jpg There now are TWO similar riders on white horses . . is one a digitally reworked Arwen? And, here are a couple spoiler pictures from a year or two ago . . http://www.imagemagician.org/images/kalimac/arwenhd.jpg Early Arwen at Helms Deep http://www.imagemagician.org/images/.../arwentthd.jpg Another shot of Arwen at HD Compare them to this recent screen cap from The Two Towers: http://www.imagemagician.org/images/.../arwenhdtt.jpg Arwen fighting at Helms Deep Remember that this is just a curiosity . . these are remnants of scenes with Arwen . . PJ changed the script to exclude her and chose to try and remove her digitally . . he just didn't get all of her taken out. That's all. Anyway, I hope it doesn't mean she arrived in disguise with the elves and just pops up . . . nah, this is just a curiosity. All the remnants in the future will probably be removed . . when the DVD/video is released she will be totally erased. Last edited by Kalimac : 01-20-2003 at 02:07 AM. |
01-20-2003, 10:10 AM | #13 |
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Maybe it's just my computer, Dúnedain, but those pics look awfully blurry I'm just thankful that they dicided not to put Arwen in at Helm's Deep
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01-20-2003, 10:24 AM | #14 |
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Worse still is the thought, that she's in disguise with the soldiers and she ends up playing the 'Dernhelm' role and kills the WiKi !!
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01-23-2003, 02:41 PM | #15 |
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I felt like screaming when I read on a site, that PJ had filmed Arwen at Helms Deep. Fortunately he decided just right and took her out of that parts. (but she can be seen, if you look close enough)
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01-23-2003, 02:53 PM | #16 |
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yea, arwen was supposed to stay with a rohan woman named morwen when everyone else was at HD, then shewould somehow sneak away to HD adnd fight...
im so glad that he changed his mind. heehee, BB, you should be happy, PJ has moved up from "utterly detestable" to "almost likeable" on my scale!
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Does anyone know if the elves that were leaving Rivendell with the lanterns were originally the elves that arrive at Helm's deep? When Arwen looks back at Elrond in that scene Elrond looks angry, not relieved that his daughter is leaving. Both groups are wearing hoods of some dark colour. That would also explain why Haldir is added via special effects to the arriving group of elves at the Hornburg, although he was in that battle in "real footage", was perhaps Arwen the original lead elf? Were the lanterns that were held by those elves in Rivendell originally something else, like banners, but were changed (with fx) when the scenes were reworked? was the scene of the elves leaving Rivendell meant to be the response to Galadriels speech? Why else would Galadriel be trying to persuade Elrond?
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01-23-2003, 04:31 PM | #18 |
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Wow, that's a really good point, I'd never thought of it like that before. Could have been like that.
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01-23-2003, 08:36 PM | #19 |
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I'm not really sure. From what I can remember, I thought Arwen and Elrond were in Rivendell having their little chat about death and stuff while the battle of Helm's Deep was going on.
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Well, the Elves were moving awfully slow to get to Helm's Deep in time for the battle.
And about Elrond...He always looks angry.
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