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08-10-2005, 11:46 PM | #1 |
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Horcrux [most definantly spoilerific]
Ok, so the deal is that Dumbldore speculates that there are seven horcruxes and he knows of several and guesses several...but there's number seven that is not accounted for. Simply for reference and so that I can be righted if I am wrong here they are: 1) The Riddle diary. 2) The Riddle ring. 3) The Slytherin necklace. 4) The Hufflepuff goblet. (speculated) 5) Nagini (speculated) 6) Something of Ravenclaw's...not certain if it was mentioned and I'm being lazy so I'm not going to look it up at the moment. (speculated...I believe). 7) Dumbldore said that Voldemort would have tried to yoink (my own word for steal) something of Gryffindor's but, to his knowledge, Lord Moldy Shorts had yet to manage that. (This was also speculated)
Now, I've said this because there is, to me, an odd rumour that Harry himself is the seventh horcrux. I'd like to hear other views on this and views about my view. That being said: I think that, that rumour is slightly ridiculous. Dumbldore expressed to Harry how utterly foolish he thought it was to put part of his soul into Nagini(speculation) because the snake was a living breathing creature. So, why would Voldemort want to take that a step farther and put his soul into the body of the boy that a) he is about to kill and b) is supposed to bring about his downfall. I understood the horcrux to be a place to store one's soul, however, if that place was destroied then so was that piece of your soul so would you want to kill (destroy) the thing that you were putting your soul into? It also seems foolish because you wouldn't want to give the boy whom you believed was prophesied to be your downfall that much leverage over you. Anyway...that's just what I think. If my reasoning is horribly faulty bash me over the head with something large and blunt please.
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08-11-2005, 12:52 AM | #2 |
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i just had a thught, what if he didn't make harry a horcruk until the 4th book(when he killed diggory), because he realized that if he escaped again, he would have to die himslef to defeat voldemort?(dum dum duuuum)
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08-12-2005, 12:12 AM | #3 |
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That's an interesting theory durinsbane2244, but I don't think it works because Voldemort doesn't do anything with Harry except use some of his blood to regenerate a body. And he tries to kill him too, but he doesn't use any kind of spell to intentionally make him a Horcrux.
My line of thinking on the "Harry is a Horcrux" theory is that Voldemort inadvertantly put some of his soul into Harry when he tried to kill him. We know that some of Voldemort's powers, like being a Parselmouth, transferred to Harry when that happened. I posted a quote from Chamber of Secrets pertaining to this in the Half-Blood Prince thread. There is also some unexplained link between the two, such as Harry being able to feel what Voldemort is feeling at times. And don't forget what Harry feels when Dumbledore looks at him in Order of the Phoenix: I seem to remember the feeling being described something like "as though Harry had a snake inside him".
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08-12-2005, 09:54 AM | #4 |
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And Dumbledore does tell Harry that Voldemort 'transferd some of his powers into him that night' so that could bear some weight.
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08-12-2005, 10:07 AM | #5 |
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So...your thinking is that Voldemort accidentally made Harry a horcrux? That, to me, is far more believable than him intending to do it. Still, is it possible to unintentionally make someone a horcrux? I would that it would be a rather complicated process, made even more complicated since Harry isn't an inanimate object.
The whole "snake inside him" phrase I equivocated to having butterflies in your stomach when your nervous. I didn't take it literal...perhaps I should have?
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08-12-2005, 02:30 PM | #6 |
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also, if he did inadvertantly make him a horcrux, would he know, and if not, would he make another and thus have eight?
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If anything I've said hasn't made any sense or if any fact I've stated is inaccurate, I apologize. It's late and I'm tired.
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Dumbledore said that one of Voldemort's soul pieces must be inside him, leaving six roaming about. One was in the destroyed Diary, and one is the locket obtained by R.A.B. (I agree with Tomstheman about Regulus Black), so only four are up for speculation. I think all your speculations are right on MBSSnowmane, except something of Gryffindor's. As much as Voldemort would have liked something of his, the Sorting Hat and the Sword remain safely in the Headmaster's office. Maybe this is some subtle symbolism that Voldemort can't own part of Harry, or that Harry is free to make his own choices or something.
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08-16-2005, 11:57 AM | #9 |
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Wow, you guys really think these things out. I'm not convinced that H. would be a host as we all have been lead to believe that he and HWWNBN must duel and only one (HP we hope) will remain alive. It seems unlikely, given the story so far that H would be a HX.
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By the way... Regulus Black needed help, just like Dumbledore needed, getting the locket.. wonder from who? |
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