piracy

***HOBBIT*** · 10-19-2004, 06:27 PM

what is your opinion on piracy?

By that i mean making copies of DVDs, CDs, games, downloading songs "illegally," downloading movies, programs illegally.

Does anyone do any or all of these? Has anyone actually never done any of those that i listed above?

I just started this topic to see what everyones' thoughts are on this sort of stuff.

My opinion is that as long as you don't make copies to sell or download a program illegally to create things that you will be paid for, it isn't that bad.

It all started with Napster back in 1999 with the sharing of mp3s. Now practically every teen I know downloads songs, makes copies of DVDs, makes copies of borrowed CDs, etc via Kazaa, Torrent, limewire, etc.

After some other people have posted (if there is any interest), I will post some more of my opinions on the subject

katya · 10-19-2004, 06:50 PM

I used to download stuff from Kazaa all the time, but now I don't. It just didn't seem healthy for my computer. I don't think there was anything wrong with what I was doing. I'm into a lot of weird things like j-pop that I just can't find in the store. And, I can't hear it on the radio. How else will I know if I like something? Let it be noted that probably half the songs I downloaded and like, I bought the CD of later. And the rest, I wouldn't have bought anyway. Downloading songs is only to "tide me over" till I can afford the real thing.
Also, I download a lot of manga scanlations. Most, if not all of these, are/were not licensed in English yet, so the scans were as best as I could get.

Shelob's Hubby · 10-19-2004, 09:08 PM

I download games and stuff, but I don't think that there is any problem with downloading anything or burning CDs as long as you don't sell them.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 10-19-2004, 09:43 PM

Which brings me to serial cracks. What about them? There are a ton of sites on the web that provide cracks for games and other programs. They are even copy righted sites. I think that's funny.

dawningoftime · 10-19-2004, 11:00 PM

My I have downloaded stuff illegally, but most of the time I will go out and buy the album and then get the illegal stuff off of my computer. The other thing is there are artists I like,but you can't buy their stuff in stores anymore and the group has disbanded, so if I can download that...I will.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 10-20-2004, 02:48 AM

I used to down load music from Limewire but now i buy CD's.

Millane · 10-20-2004, 03:02 AM

i tend to buy music that i like rather than download it, also the same with dvds and i buy a lot of dvd's. Umm i have nothing against getting them illegally but i prefer to own them, of course if theres a movie thats not out at the cinema or its not out on dvd yet ill watch a burnt dvd, the cinema should be happy with the money that sap out of me

no moral objections from me

**Nurvingiel** · 10-20-2004, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Golden Hair

Which brings me to serial cracks. What about them? There are a ton of sites on the web that provide cracks for games and other programs. They are even copy righted sites. I think that's funny.

What's a serial crack SGH?

This reminds me of pirated software. I don't have any real problem with this either. I would be a lot more inclined to buy software if it wasn't so expensive.

Arat-Falathion · 10-20-2004, 11:21 AM

I do not support copyright infringement of others software products, dvds, etc. It is just as illegal as stealing a car. Think of those who have worked for years on that product you have stolen... Piracy is one of the reasons why software is so expensive as well, and why the production of such a product is longer than it should have to be. They spend months creating copyright protections (that seldom works anyway)

It is no less criminal than stealing a car.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 10-22-2004, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

What's a serial crack SGH?

There are certian programs and games that you can download from the internet for a trial period. Once your trial period is up, you must purchase that program or game if you wish to continue useing it. When you make the purchase, you are issued a serial number, or registration code that you must enter. There are sites on the web that provide these codes and registration numbers, therefore, preventing you from having to purchase the game or program for your computer. You go to the serial crack site, do a search for the program you want, copy the code, and paste it in the registration box from the trail version. Presto! You have the program or game free of charge.

***Earniel*** · 10-20-2004, 12:24 PM

I have downloaded some music, but never to avoid having to pay for a CD. This is the extent of my illegal internet actions. What I download I would just as happily record on tape from the radio, if they would only play it entirely. I've downloaded a few songs for my dad, which were songs he was never able to tape on the radio or find on CD. Some are as old as me and he was glad to be able to hear them again after so many years. I know that doesn't make it anymore legal, though.

But I have never made copies of DVDs, programmes or downloaded movies, frankly I don't see the need. If I can buy it, I will, even though some of it is bloody expensive so that I may have to safe for it a while. I prefer legal copies because they're most of the time safer than home made illegal copies.

Edit: As for piracy, I think it is a sign of the times. Not that that's a justification either. While it can cost artists and programmers a lot of money I don't you can completely erradicate it (or should do so). I think the efforts to let music be bought through the internet are a good idea and if I could, I might consider it, but I don't think it will fight piracy much - it only encourages people, who didn't want to download songs because it was illegal, to download now.

katya · 10-20-2004, 05:16 PM

You know, it's funny. People talk about downloading taking money away from the artists. And I jsut thought ot myself, "Whatever man. It can't be that much money, and the artists are probably doing ok without it. It's an art; they can't expect to get rich of an art anyway...etc. etc." But I never thought I would be the victim! I had a garage sale over labour day weekend. I was selling my old CDs for 75 cents each. 75 cents! Pretty cheap, for a full-lengthed CD, right? Well this girl come in, and picks up a CD with a song she likes on it. And she said to her mom, "Well, there's only one song I like on here, and I can download it for only 50 cents." And she didn't buy the real copy, with all the original art, etc. because of the difference of a quarter. I don't get it.

10-19-2004, 06:27 PM	#1
*HOBBIT* Saviour of Entmoot Admiral Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: NC/NJ (no longer Same place as bmilder.) Posts: 61,986	piracy what is your opinion on piracy? By that i mean making copies of DVDs, CDs, games, downloading songs "illegally," downloading movies, programs illegally. Does anyone do any or all of these? Has anyone actually never done any of those that i listed above? I just started this topic to see what everyones' thoughts are on this sort of stuff. My opinion is that as long as you don't make copies to sell or download a program illegally to create things that you will be paid for, it isn't that bad. It all started with Napster back in 1999 with the sharing of mp3s. Now practically every teen I know downloads songs, makes copies of DVDs, makes copies of borrowed CDs, etc via Kazaa, Torrent, limewire, etc. After some other people have posted (if there is any interest), I will post some more of my opinions on the subject __________________ President Emeritus (2000-2004) Private message (or email) me if you need any assistance. I am here to help! "I'm up to here with cool, ok? I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis" - Zaphod Beeblebrox Latest Blog Post: Just Quit Facebook? No One Cares!

10-19-2004, 09:08 PM	#3
Shelob's Hubby Enting Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Somewhere between heaven and hell Posts: 73	I download games and stuff, but I don't think that there is any problem with downloading anything or burning CDs as long as you don't sell them. __________________ Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? I think so Brain, but without ears, we look like weasels. "The next time I lent an ax to a surgeon, I would pick my century." A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. The Last Alliance of Orcs and Spiders

10-19-2004, 09:43 PM	#4
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Which brings me to serial cracks. What about them? There are a ton of sites on the web that provide cracks for games and other programs. They are even copy righted sites. I think that's funny. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

10-19-2004, 11:00 PM	#5
dawningoftime Enting Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 90	My I have downloaded stuff illegally, but most of the time I will go out and buy the album and then get the illegal stuff off of my computer. The other thing is there are artists I like,but you can't buy their stuff in stores anymore and the group has disbanded, so if I can download that...I will. __________________ Audio Editor

10-20-2004, 02:48 AM	#6
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	I used to down load music from Limewire but now i buy CD's. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

10-19-2004, 06:50 PM	#2
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	I used to download stuff from Kazaa all the time, but now I don't. It just didn't seem healthy for my computer. I don't think there was anything wrong with what I was doing. I'm into a lot of weird things like j-pop that I just can't find in the store. And, I can't hear it on the radio. How else will I know if I like something? Let it be noted that probably half the songs I downloaded and like, I bought the CD of later. And the rest, I wouldn't have bought anyway. Downloading songs is only to "tide me over" till I can afford the real thing. Also, I download a lot of manga scanlations. Most, if not all of these, are/were not licensed in English yet, so the scans were as best as I could get.

10-20-2004, 03:02 AM	#7
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	i tend to buy music that i like rather than download it, also the same with dvds and i buy a lot of dvd's. Umm i have nothing against getting them illegally but i prefer to own them, of course if theres a movie thats not out at the cinema or its not out on dvd yet ill watch a burnt dvd, the cinema should be happy with the money that sap out of me no moral objections from me __________________ Ill heal your wounds, ill set you free,

10-20-2004, 11:21 AM	#9
Arat-Falathion A'mael Dalharen Eldarele Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 707	I do not support copyright infringement of others software products, dvds, etc. It is just as illegal as stealing a car. Think of those who have worked for years on that product you have stolen... Piracy is one of the reasons why software is so expensive as well, and why the production of such a product is longer than it should have to be. They spend months creating copyright protections (that seldom works anyway) It is no less criminal than stealing a car. __________________ Atharon, where heroes are born. A constantly evolving forum rpg created by Lief Erikson, Falathion and its players.

10-20-2004, 12:24 PM	#11
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	I have downloaded some music, but never to avoid having to pay for a CD. This is the extent of my illegal internet actions. What I download I would just as happily record on tape from the radio, if they would only play it entirely. I've downloaded a few songs for my dad, which were songs he was never able to tape on the radio or find on CD. Some are as old as me and he was glad to be able to hear them again after so many years. I know that doesn't make it anymore legal, though. But I have never made copies of DVDs, programmes or downloaded movies, frankly I don't see the need. If I can buy it, I will, even though some of it is bloody expensive so that I may have to safe for it a while. I prefer legal copies because they're most of the time safer than home made illegal copies. Edit: As for piracy, I think it is a sign of the times. Not that that's a justification either. While it can cost artists and programmers a lot of money I don't you can completely erradicate it (or should do so). I think the efforts to let music be bought through the internet are a good idea and if I could, I might consider it, but I don't think it will fight piracy much - it only encourages people, who didn't want to download songs because it was illegal, to download now. __________________ We are not things. Last edited by Earniel : 10-20-2004 at 12:32 PM.

10-20-2004, 05:16 PM	#12
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	You know, it's funny. People talk about downloading taking money away from the artists. And I jsut thought ot myself, "Whatever man. It can't be that much money, and the artists are probably doing ok without it. It's an art; they can't expect to get rich of an art anyway...etc. etc." But I never thought I would be the victim! I had a garage sale over labour day weekend. I was selling my old CDs for 75 cents each. 75 cents! Pretty cheap, for a full-lengthed CD, right? Well this girl come in, and picks up a CD with a song she likes on it. And she said to her mom, "Well, there's only one song I like on here, and I can download it for only 50 cents." And she didn't buy the real copy, with all the original art, etc. because of the difference of a quarter. I don't get it.