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05-08-2005, 02:13 AM | #1 |
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The Emperor's Origins
This is not a spoiler thread. Spoilers to what the Emperor's origins are should be kept private.
Anyway, on my most recent viewing of Episode II of Star Wars, I developed a theory to the Emperor's origins that I believe will be accurate. Any theories others may have would be welcome. My theory is that the Emperor was originally Cyphodias. Jedi Master Cyphodias supposedly died over a decade before "Attack of the Clones". He is referred to in the movie as having been a leading member of the Jedi Council. Someone claiming to be Cyphodias ordered the creation of the clone army, for the Jedi Council. Nothing more is said about Cyphodias in the movie. Originally I thought that Cyphodias was another name for Dooku. However, this theory is rather dented now. Everyone already is well acquainted with Dooku's background. He was Yoda's apprentice, was once a Jedi, and it seems unlikely that Yoda would or could have completed the entirety of his training after Cyphodias' disappearance. It's possible, but rather unlikely, to me. If the Emperor was Cyphodias, that would give an origin for the Emperor and an explanation for his Force powers. It's clear that they'll be revealing more about this mystery of Cyphodias in Episode III, simply because they left his involvement as such a question mark in Episode II. So that's my theory. There's not a lot of evidence to support it, but I really suspect it's accurate. My brother asked me how Yoda could have missed recognizing him. Perhaps he's a changeling. There doubtless are other possible answers, though. This has been a question I've been seriously thinking about now and then. The Emperor's origins have been a prevailing mystery in the films. If anyone has extra information from books that tell the answer, please cloak it from our vision with the shadow of the Dark Side (spoiler signs ). I look forward to any comments or other theories!
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1.Sifodias is probubly Palpatene. 2.He's not Duku! You probubly aren't on: 1.Sifodias being a Jedi when the clone were ordered. Just my opinoin
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I don't think so. I think in ep. 2, when it's mentioned that Sipholias ordered the army after being thought dead, Obi Wan was kind of thinking "then who was posing as Sipholias and what would they want with an army?" At that point I thought, "Palpatine."
Remember in ep. 1 when those Chinese-sounding aquatic-looking dudes asked the emperor "my lord, is that... legal?" He answered suggestively "I will make it legal." Now I obviously forget who those guys were, and what they were asking about exactly, but the Emperor sure does hint that he can influence the Trade Federation, of which Palpatine is about to become chancellor, to change intergalactic law for his purposes. And about what he hoped to do with an army:
And if that's the case, it would make Palpatine the most ambitious and dynamic bad guy ever created. I soooo hope he kills Jar-Jar. EDIT: Somehow I never even wondered about the origin of his force powers. Maybe you were right and Sipholias feigned his death and ordered and army, and then made up the identity of Palpatine.
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The most reasonable answer to who Sifo is is not official but most agree to this theory; Darth Maul was killed by Obi-wan after killing Qui-gon, Darth Sidious needed a new apprentice and saw great potential in Jedi Knight Dooku. Dooku was having political idealist differences with the Jedi and so luring him to the dark side was not hard. Sidious' last test was for Dooku to kill his very close friend Sifo-dyas. We dont know if the order was to point blank kill Sifo or a plot for Dooku to rally Sifo to their cause. Anywho, after Sifo was killed Dooku went to Kamino and used his former friends name to contract the clones. After that he removed the archive info on Kamino, left the Jedi order and joined with the Sepreatist forces. While seemingly in league with the sepratists Darth Tyranus(Dooku) contracted Jango Fett to be the prototype for the clones. Some would ask why would Dooku use the name Sifo-dyas, or how do you know Sifo wasnt the one who truely contracted the Clones. The answer is quite simple; Palpatine/Sidious was very very cunning! Sidious made Dooku use the name of a Jedi that could not be queastioned on the actions taken, Sifo was killed just before the contract was made so no one would be able to ask him if he did! Dooku's name was not used because they could track the contract down to Dooku and the Sepratists, which would lead to Sidious. By using the name Sifo-dyas after he had been killed Sidious ensured that the Jedi would not be able to denounce the Clone army... because "they" were the ones who contracted them! It is unclear where Sidious comes from but we know where he didnt come from... he was not Sifo, and Dooku was not Sifo.... at least not really. The only thing we know is that Palpatine came from Naboo... if that where he origionated we do not know. I personaly doubt that Palpatine is an actual Naboosian.
Edit: Just answering a few loose arguments i read through some of the other posts... Sidious could not be a Changelim. Anakin could detect a changelim and yoda has a much stronger bond with the force. Yoda is seen sitting no more than a few feet from Sidious and senses nothing!!! Sidious is not a changelim!
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(I am typing this response in a not so clear state so if you'd like clearification or any kind of in deapth answer i can and would be glad to answer.)
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Perhaps you are right, Halbarad. I will very happily argue with you, though .
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I think I'll stay in the 'Syfo-dias is not Palpatine' camp. The info in AoTC does seem to point to only Syfo-dias' (so many different ways to write it, and I don't know which one is the right one!) name being used to place an order with the cloners. I don't think a jedi-master would fake his own death and then return as Palpatine and get away with it so easily. But I take it it was indeed Palpatine that, under the name of Syfo-dias ordered the clone army. I don' think it could be Dooku because he hired Jango under the name Lord Tyrannus, and it would have been needless for yet another name if he already pretended to be Syfo-dias. But I suppose the RoTS can shed more light into this.
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I also don't think Palpatine is a changeling. I'll admit I'm partially going on later novel-knowledge that Palpatine had a preference for humans in his fleet. So I would deem it unlikely for himself to have been anything else than human too. Another possible piece of proof could be that, supposing Palpatine was a changeling, he wouldn't have had to go through the cape-and-hood-routine when playing Darth Sidious, he could just have changed his face.
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Edit: Oh and yes nearly 10 years had passed between Episode I and Episode II, in EPI Anakin was a 9 year old boy, in EPII he was a 19 year old Jedi Padawan. Amidala is 14 year old Queen and in EPII she is a 24 year old Senator. Episode II and III are seperated by three years, the Clone Wars years, and Episode III to Episode IV is set almost twenty years apart. This makes Anakin around 43 at the end of Jedi.
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Anyway, I'll be seeing the movie in a very few days . It's terribly exciting. Whichever of us is right, I'm positive it'll be a blast for both of us . And we'll celebrate in the "Revenge" thread, toasting to George Lucas and all the brilliant actors. I'm very much looking forward to this coming experience. Quote:
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Quoted from Lief Erikson, again...
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Accidental double post, ignore or delete...!
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