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03-05-2007, 09:29 AM | #1 |
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Evil Elves...
I find evil Elves fascinating.
There's just something about the contrasts that I find really cool. For example, take fierce dudes like Fëanor and Maeglin: they've got all the physical Elf characteristics, and they're probably considered "beautiful" and everything. Therefore it's so cool when you consider how evil they became: they stop caring about all the pretty-boy things, but they still are those kinds of characters. This is really hard to put into words, but I guess you see my point. I found a really nice drawing of Caranthir a while ago: http://www.tolkien.com.pl/kasiopea/o...r_portret1.jpg Caranthir looks really dangerous on that picture, but he IS an ELF. I usually associate Elves with cute people like MÃ*riel, Finrod and Glorfindel, and then we have the "dark" characters that forsake their beautiful sides and turn to evil, which makes them resemble servants of Morgoth rather than beautiful Elves. Last edited by Peter_20 : 03-05-2007 at 11:55 AM. |
03-05-2007, 11:03 AM | #2 |
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Cute Elves? I have never had such impression. Beautiful in their own way, with kind of refined gracefulness, not quite like human in the way of thinking, but with all human traits, and at the same time are very powerful, dangerous and even scary. In other words, aliens.
Catherine Karina Chmel is a marvelous artist. I love how she portrays people: you can see their character. One of my favorite Maglor and Maedhros
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03-05-2007, 11:54 AM | #3 |
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Haha, "cute" perhaps wasn't a very good term, but you see my point, methinks.
I like how they're supposed to be all beautiful and wonderful and whatnot, and still some of them decide "screw it, I ain't no beautiful character, let's kill people! Wait...! Am I still looking beautiful?!" Like that. Oh, and that drawing was wonderful too - Maedhros & Maglor v.s. Elrond & Elros! Elros looks totally freaked out. Last edited by Peter_20 : 03-05-2007 at 12:05 PM. |
03-05-2007, 02:18 PM | #4 |
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I partially blame the movies for the harmless pretty-boy image the Elves have. Many of the Elves, especially the Silmarillion Elves, I tend to compare to tigers. Beautiful and graceful but fierce and frightening the next moment.
And while the likes of Fëanor, Ëol and Maeglin may be rare, it's frightening to think what if all Elves had been quite like that. We would never have stood a chance, methinks...
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03-05-2007, 04:11 PM | #5 |
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And then there's that old Hobbit cartoon-movie, where the elves are really, really ugly!
It's very clear that the Elves are beautiful physically,and the more you read outside of LOTR and Hobbit, I think you'd have to agree with Earniel about the tigers.
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03-05-2007, 05:36 PM | #6 |
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Elves and men (and maiar and valar) are not evil, simply misguided
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03-15-2007, 07:36 PM | #7 |
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i wasn't evil damn it!, yeah i was deranged, paranoid and lost the plot but my father, who was more dear to me than the silmarils themselves, was slain yet the valar would of had me do nothing like a fool
and yeah i am rather sexy, actually i was the most sexiest elf ever...FACT!
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I think there's a difficult-to-define difference between "evil is good/necessary because it stimulates good things to happen" and "evil is evil, although it's trumped by good actions in response to it". I think the second statement is true, not the first. The first one would be like, "Gee, I'm so happy that my husband and children were cruelly killed because it led to Eärendil's journey and that saved Middle-earth!" The second, which I think is the right one, would be like, "My husband and children were cruelly killed, and that is a terrible tragedy and I wish it didn't happen, yet evil eventually is always overcome by good, and in this case the evil was used to drive Eärendil to his journey, which saved Middle-earth." It's hard to describe the difference, but do you see what I mean? Quote:
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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What you refer to as automatons are soulless creatures dominated by a greater evil. And even that didn't apply to orcs in the later ages.. They acquired a good bit of free will. The Nazgul are a better example of that kind of possession.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Nope, no perfect evil people, being evil is a (Realy realy big) flaw
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