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Maedhros and Gwindor
Okay. This has been bothering me for a while. If there's an old thread on it, I'm sorry, but I couldn't find it.
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12-12-2004, 07:03 PM | #2 | ||
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i dont think that Maedhros was in Angband as long as Gwindor, and his torment was very different. Maedhros was a hostage:
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12-12-2004, 07:38 PM | #3 |
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Actually, I considered that.
Okay, Turin was 8 years old at the Nirnaeth and dwelt in Thingol's halls for 9 years. He wandered around for X years, and was still just entering full manhood when Gwindor brought him to Nargothrond. So, in my estimation, Gwindor was probably in Angband somewhere between 10 and 15 years. In an old post, it had been stated that Maedhros was a captive for 23-24 years of the sun. Personally... I think that being hanged off a cliff for that long is worse than toiling in a dungeon...
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12-12-2004, 09:07 PM | #4 |
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For a human, perhaps.
For an Elf, whose body is meant to last forever, just hanging there probably wouldn't nescessarily be that tormentous, as long as A) The stress wasn't more than they could handle, and B) They still got whatever sustenance they needed. I can easily see a healthy elf being able to 'hang around' practically forever in those conditions. Also - is it explicitly stated that Maedhros was left hanging from the cliff? I always thought he had been left standing on a ledge, with one arm chained above his head (otherwise how would Fingon have been able to get alongside him and cut him down?)
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precipice 1. An overhanging or extremely steep mass of rock, such as a crag or the face of a cliff. 2. The brink of a dangerous or disastrous situation: on the precipice of defeat. too many definitions for "hung" #1 says "To fasten from above with no support from below; suspend." I think that's explicit. And it is described as "torment", and of course, Morgoth isn't exactly a nice guy...
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This one is for my friend Artanis!
Let's get the facts straight: Maedhros was captured in 1498 Age of the Trees. Maedhros was released from Angband in the year 5 of the FA. (Age of the Sun) I have made a transformation since the beginning of time, through the end of the first age. The time between his capture and release would be aprox: 720005 - 719712 years of the sun = 293 years in which he was imprisioned. Or if you prefer 2*144 + 5 = 293 years. (See Annals of Aman for the dates) (Note= 1 Valian year = 144 sun years. ) See note 5 of Myths Transfomred in Morgoth's Rings As for Gwindor: He was captured in 472 FA and released in 489 FA. So he was held for 17 years. Therefore comments like these: Quote:
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There are these manuscripts and typescripts called: Annals of Aman, Grey Annals and Tale of Years to look for the dates when the events happened in the FA. Quote:
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