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I see now that I'm credited for starting this thread. Any Entmoot history buffs out there should note that TinuvielChild was the original thread starter, and it had over 300 pages (IIRC). [/edit] I'm reading that interview with Dobson R*an. It seems his Spongebob Squarepants comments were taken out of context - I get the impression he didn't like the cartoon characters being in the pro-gay video, not that he actually thought the characters were subtextually gay or something. Which begs the question, why is their presence a problem? I think it's the pro-gay video and its potential success that he really doesn't like. Quote:
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Tolerance and diversity are not just buzzwords, gah! Well, I suppose they have been used as buzzwords, but they are not meaningless jargon or just something to say to sound cool. They have deeper meaning than just "look at me, I'm tolerant." Though they have been used that way by some, it isn't fair to dismiss them out of hand as buzzwords. Quote:
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All three definitions are from Wikipedia.org Follow the links for their complete definitions. Tolerance Diversity Buzzword One final comment. This interview didn't really touch on the (apparently) major issues of the pro-gay video and what Dobson thinks about it.
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02-06-2005, 12:50 PM | #2 |
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I am a gay man. Out of the closet.
I had not seen this thread before. I have read some, but not all of the posts. No, being gay is not a choice. I don't know if it is inborn, or if it is set by age two or whatever, but in my case the gender to which I was attracted was clearly defined at puberty. Girls just never interested me. Being gay was such a shameful thing in italy at that time, that when I reached puberty I did not realize immediately that being attracted to men = being gay. It took me a few years Last edited by The Wizard from Milan : 02-06-2005 at 12:56 PM. |
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I suppose if you're bisexual.... there's a choice, but if you are gay or straight....you are just doing what comes NATURAL! Just because something might be different...doesn't mean it's not natural!
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I know what you mean by taking a while to clue in that you were gay...happened to me, too. It was weird when it finally all made some kind of sense....I thought to myself, "Oh, so that's how it is. I think I understand now." And then I proceeded to try to run away...heh heh....didn't work. |
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Is so a choice.
And while we are at it, it is the choice of <2% of teenagers in America in surveys of sexual activity. See the report on teen sex in TIME, last week. Course, I think you should all be careful at all times if electing sexual activity.
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One can always choose celibacy. One can also try to have sex with people of the other sex regardless of the orientation (for females it is actually easier than for males). In as far as the percentages I am tired to discuss them. I think the best survey (from a methodological point of view) is the one by Laumann et al "The Social Organization of Sexuality", University of Chicago Press. But who cares about the number? What if it were 0.002%? Does that mean that one can tramp on the rights of part of the population just because it is a minority? |
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*grumbles* And thus you have a plain example of the suppression of the minority by the majority. Democracy is not perfect.
inked, where exactly is the choice? It seems to me that love, no matter what orientation you are, is not something you can control (not that I'd know one way or the other, I suppose ). It's either there, or it isn't.
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As Albus Dumbledore observed to Harry Potter, our choices are what make us who we are!
The importance of percentages is two-fold: 1) perspective (the allegations made by Kinsey and through my medical school training of 10% of the population are grossly erroneous in regards to the homosexually active population) and social impact (if costs of medical care for sexual activity-related disease, for example, are calculated, the proportion for MSM rises dramatically if there are 2 or 10 percentage points as the basis), and 2) to offset the illusion that vast numbers of persons are in fact represented by Will & Grace or similar Disney-esque portrayals of homosexual lifestyle(s) where the portrayal of populations seems disproportionaltely large due to urban concentration. What rights are trampled, in your estimation? A short list will do. I must warn you though that the mere designation of an activity does not entail its being a right IMHO. But let's have that list and procede.
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on one of my many trips into cyber-space on my quest to further my knowledge of the enlightened east, i found this article on homosexuality in japan, which was an extremely interesting read. i have maintained for some time that oriental nations were far more enlightened than the west, and there we have some nice back up.
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and, as we discussed before, some choices are so greatly intwined with upbringing that to call them a "choice", as if you could simply change your mind, is grossly misleading
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I've often been told that things cannot be considered true if they cannot also be proven false. That being said, I have no objections to homosexuality. Not to offend anyone, but keep in mind I'm right next to the San Francisco Bay area. I witnessed my classmates standing out in the rain waiting to get married like many other tax-paying citizens, before our dear governor Arnold decided to anull all of their marriages. According to one bisexual friend of mine, these people were not disappointed because they have grown quite used to existing in a different status. I believe no matter who you are, your sexual preference or spiritual guidance, God loves us even if we violate His/Her laws.
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