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06-29-2006, 01:41 AM | #1 |
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Chapter VI & VII: Many Partings & Homeward Bound
Summary : Chapter VI
So after the celebrations drew to a close Frodo went to see the king and queen and let them know he wanted to go home. (And see Bilbo on the way). Arwen explains that with the destruction of the ring, Bilbo's age is finally catching up with him and he was too tired to come for the wedding. Aragorn asks Frodo to wait a week for Eomer to come back for Theoden's body and then the can all travel together for a while. Arwen then tells Frodo that he should go over the sea in her place, "For mine is the choice of Luthien, and as she so I have chosen, both the sweet and the bitter." Then Arwen gives him and white jewel on a necklace, to remind him of Aragorn and Arwen and give him strength in dark times. Soon after, Eomer arrives, and he and Gimli speak about some rash words Eomer had said earlier about Galadriel. Eomer tells Gimli that Galadriel is not the fairest being he has seen, but only because he favours Arwen. And Gimli relents. "You have chosen the evening; but my love is given to the morning. And my heart forbodes that soon it will pass away forever." After a few days they leave to take Theoden back to Rohan. And The remaining Fellowship members all go along, as well ans Elrond and his kids, Galadriel and Celeborn and many nobles of Gondor. When they come to the grey woods of Amon Din, Aragorn proclaims that they belong to the wild men, and them alone. After 15 days they arrive at Edoras, and the funeral of the king is held. "Out of doubt out of dark, to the day's rising he rode singing in the sun, sword unsheathing. Hope he rekindled; and in hope ended; over death, over dread, over doom lifted out of loss, out of life, unto long glory." And poor Merry just cries, because Theoden and him had become such good friends; like a father to him. Then they have a huge feast, and Eomer announces Faramir and Eowyn's engagement, and Eowyn goes to Aragorn and asks his blessing. and he says "I have wished thee joy since first I saw thee. It heals my heart to see thee now in bliss." After that most of the group gets ready to go...the lords of Gondor remain behind, and so does Arwen, who first goes into the hills with Elrond, and there their last meeting and parting is sad thing indeed. Eomer and Eowyn give Merry a special horn as a gift, and the leave. Legolas went with Gimli to the glittering caves and was left speechless, and then makes Gimli join him in a journey through Fangorn and then home. Everyone else carries on to Isengard, where they speak with Treebeard and find that Saruman and Grima are gone. Treebeard and Celeborn & Galadriel shae words and Merry & Pippin share one more Entdraught with Treebeard, who notes thay they have grown substantially. Finally it comes time to say goodbye to Aragorn, who had never failed the Hobbits. Then they meet up with Saruman and wormtongue, they exchange some words...everyone being suprisisngly nice to the beggars, and getting rudeness in return. Saruman says some worrisome and cryptic things regarding the Shire and leaves. When they arrive near the gates of Moria, the Lorien party departs, and in the mist Galadriel holds up her ring, which flashes in the mist, as a farewell; almost a salute, to the hobbits. Finally arrival at Rivendell, and reunion with a very sleepy Bilbo, who is still always on time for meals. It is the day before his birthday, and he is glad to see them. After a time, they head off, Gandalf in tow. Bilbo gives them all gifts, his books (and armour and Sting again...haha) to Frodo, the last of the Smaug gold for Sam. "May come in useful, if you think of getting married Sam" Some real nice pipes to Merry and Pippin too, and a bunch of advice, and a comment on their size. To which Pippin replies, "But if you want to beat the Old Took...I don't see why we shouldn't try and beat the Bullroarer." Bilbo, poor old Bilbo, asks about the ring, and then remembers... "'What a pity!' said Bilbo 'I should have liked to see it again. But no, how silly of me! Thats what you went for, wasn't it: to get rid of it? But its all so confusin, forr such a lot of other things seem to have got mixed up with it: Aragorn's affairs, and the White Council, and Gondor, and the Horsemen, and Southrons, and Oliphaunts - did you really see one Sam? - and caves and towers and golden trees and goodness knows what besides.'" Finally they depart, and Elrond says to Frodo that he may not have to come back to Rivendell to see Bilbo, "'...unless you come very soon. For about this time of the year, when the leaves are gold before they fall, look for Bilbo in the woods of the Shire. I shall be with him'"
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06-29-2006, 01:50 AM | #2 |
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Summary: Chapter VII
Then the Hobbits and Gandalf head off, on October 6th, Frodo's shoulder hurts, it is one year since the Weathertop stabbing. Afeter some time they arrive at Bree, where apparently there's been trouble. They go to the Prancing Pony, where everyone is pleasantly suprised to see them. They have a nice long chat with Barliman Butterbur, wherein they discover; -no tobacco has been coming from the Shire -Bill Ferny and some ruffians caused trouble, there was fighting and some people killed -that the Hobbits and Gandalf look pretty outlandish and intimidating (a suprise to them) -They let Butterbur know that the Rangers are back, and that there is a king -Butterbur slowly figures out that the King is Strider, a happy revelation -Bill the pony is alive and well, to Sam's delight Just before they leave, Barliman warns them that all is not well in the Shire. Nearing the Old Forest the Hobbits are a little worried, and saddened, after the word about the Shire, that Gandalf will be leaving them. He plans to have a long talk with Tom Bombadil. And then there were four. "'Well here we are, just the four of us that started out together,' said Merry. 'We have left all the rest behind, one after another. It seems almost like a dream that has slowly faded.' 'Not to me,' said Frodo. 'To me it feels more like falling asleep again.'" Some Questions To Start Significance of the jewel that Arwen gives Frodo? Bilbo's age catching up with him, the affect of the ring on bearers after its end? The final letting go of her love for Aragorn by Eowyn. The bitter parting of Arwen and Elrond. The final meeting of Treebeard and the Lord and Lady of Lorien. The significance of Galadriel's final greeting being the ring, Nenya, held aloft? Why do you think Bree was attacked, or targeted by ruffians, what is there that would make it an ideal target. Bill the pony...I loves him! What will Gandalf and Bombadil discuss? Frodo's comment about going back to sleep rather than waking up as they head home?
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06-29-2006, 04:50 AM | #3 |
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don't you get bored of the first to reply saying the standard "well done"?
well, Finrod, don't worry: i am not going to do that in this case anyway.... Instead i am going to stand here and waggle my eyebrows up and down and in rythum gandalf style in dashes and dots that say 'jolly good show!" Bilbo's age catching up with him, the affect of the ring on bearers after its end? yes, are we seeing a time acceleration or just the natural effects of artificially being strained and stretched and spread like thin butter over the past years? Why do you think Bree was attacked, or targeted by ruffians, what is there that would make it an ideal target. what? ...you mean other than the best damn beer in the North .../. nay in middle earth, even??? Not to mention the best food, fires and beds? (i am too modest to mention the best company ) yours, one helluva' proud Landlord! best BB Last edited by Butterbeer : 06-29-2006 at 04:53 AM. |
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Lothlorien would not disappear immediately, but the forrest would fade over timesince it did not have Galadriel's ring to help sustain it and prevent it from decaying over time. (decaying may not be the correct word to use, but I can not think of a better word to use.)
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07-06-2006, 12:52 PM | #6 |
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common people, this is utterly pathetic. surely there must be things to talk about.
"The final meeting of Treebeard and the Lord and Lady of Lorien." This, i think, is showing that the nature that elves and ents love has been utterly distroyed, and it'll never come back, not even with a new king.
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07-06-2006, 05:47 PM | #7 | |
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don't be so hasty!
There is plenty to talk about ... Quote:
nature always comes back - but i understand your meaning in context of Tolkien and the LOTR. Old JRR was especially (almost suspiciously so you might think) conscious to say there was no succinct link between the rapidly changing landscapes both naturally, socially, politically and on an everday level - not to mention the VAST impact on his life and the deaths of so many he knew - the 2 wars, the second the first and luckily the ONLY so far TOTAL WAR .... ... and his experiences ... and the messages and strands found in the books, and i understand his thinking behind saying that, but i feel this really needs re-examining: it is both clear and deeply entrenched into the whole fabric of all his middle earth writings, esp LOTR too much seems mindlesley taken as gospel of his actual words that these are not / were not factors. I think Jammi JRRT is lamenting the 20th century here, and that what they held onto was in a way a grasping onto a past ... but i do not think he means that nature will not conquer or grow as ever it does .... that is a force that is invincable and especially Tolkien in all his works , to me, respects that .... it is Morgoth and Sauron that attempt to skew nature and pervert it - and even they realised perverting nature and attempting to stain it was the best they might ever achieve. best, BB Last edited by Butterbeer : 07-06-2006 at 05:52 PM. |
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I do find it odd that the Ents faded at the same time as the Elves departed, since they were created to protect the olvar from ravaging dwarves. This suggests that at the start of the fourth age the world changed in more ways than simply due to the departure of the Rings. |
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I never thought the jewel had much significance, other than a gift to remember Arwen by. She seemed to know that Frodo would depart soon and that they would not meet again. But in relation to later scenes, I wonder if it was (aside from a memory of her) also a remnant of the peacefullness and healing powers of Rivendell itself.
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