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RotK review from theonering.net...
I just read the review of RotK from theonering.net. It's pretty good, check it out:
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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12-02-2003, 05:42 PM | #2 |
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Jackson is a Schmoo.
Title says it all. It's as vulgar as I can be in the presence of children.
I am looking forward to someone else doing the REAL Lord of the Rings. Three years of shilling for this pultroon, only to be repaid with a three-film trilogy which bear only glancing similarity with the books. Guess I got rooked like a lot of other folks. There shall always be two types of "Tolkienites": "movie" Tolkienites [tricksy false!] "book" Tolkienites [the REAL deal]. Love and kisses, bro. {psssssstttt.....Peter Jackson........if there IS an "afterlife", I hope JRR kicks your capped teeth down your undeserving, revisionistic throat!} IMAGINATION IS ALWAYS, AND I MEAN ALWAYS, BETTER THAN FILM!!
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"...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160. |
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Re: Jackson is a Schmoo.
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The last time I posted with you - I think it was me arguing about Xena-Elf and you saying that movie and book is not the same and jackson had to make changes. That we should just be thankful he made the movies and took on the huge task. What a difference 2 years makes. Don't worry - I don't hold your past indiscretions against you. I'm just glad you have come over the the enlightened side. I wonder - can we convince BB that Jackson is a hack? I doubt it though - because you were a book fan first - whereas I don't think BB ever opened the books.
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hmm, well... the review is positive. i suppose that's a good thing. movies rarely ever live up to the book they are based on though, and while i don't completely despise the movies (FOTR was somewhat disappointing, TTT totally let me down) ... it's always better when the movie plays out exactly as you know (or think) the story should. i'm holding out hope for ROTK. it can't possibly be as dissapointing as TTT was for me, could it?? i've already lowered my expectations as far as being in line with the book, but i will try as hard as i can to look at ROTK in terms of being a well-done movie.
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yup, jerseydevil, I DID come over to your side. You got through.
I think you saw it more clearly than most everyone else in the beginning. I think my original full-fledged support was just a wish on the wind, hoping the rest of the films would rectify the shortcomings of the first. Fact is, it just got worse and worse. Humans learn and grow, jd, this is just an example of an opinion growing and maturing over the space of three years. I no longer carry the Jackson banner, and lay it in the mud where it belongs. I was wrong to support him the the first place.
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"...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160. |
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12-02-2003, 06:24 PM | #7 | |
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12-02-2003, 07:07 PM | #8 |
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I don't think The One Ring would ever say anything negative about any of the films, even if you offered them the One Ring itself. The only reason the site exists anymore is to glorify the films and hold them on high, as well as have constant updates on That One Guy who played Somebody in the film who was third from the left in the second row of elves in the prologue to FOTR.
And there I go getting off-topic again... I guess I am that rare fan who loves the books (even before the films came out!), but who also likes the movies because while they generally stink as interpretations (or even loose adaptations) of Tolkien's work, they're still pretty fun and get a few things right. TTT really changed my opinion, though, and the more I watch it, the more I fear for what we will see in ROTK.
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I smell civil war at the moot a-brewin'.
Sad to hear the dimishment of character dev. for action but I'm not surprised. It would be hard to totally ruin a story with such a spectacular end. I wonder if BB will now say that no massive Arwen injection was a better choice than his hoped-for long white wedding scene buildup. I'm really enjoying reading LotR again before the premier. While PJ selected some spectacular settings they seem inert compared to JRRT's descriptions of ME. I would have loved it if they could have found landscape to match the walk from Henneth Annun to the Crossroads (oh, because they didn't go that way).
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Here is what Helice on TORc had to say about ROTK. Perhaps this is a review more to your liking. Enjoy:
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12-02-2003, 09:32 PM | #13 | |
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I think I'm slowly coming over to your side too, JD. I loved the FOTR, bar some scenes, and I thought TTT was okay. But now seeing the spoilers for the ROTK, I am bitterly dissapointed. Saying that, I am still excited about the ROTK (got my tickets yesterday!), but I am not afraid to critisise PJ when I think he deserves to be.
I don't need to see the film to know that
I can't wait to see the ROTK, but I know it won't be Tolkien's ROTK. It will be PJ's version -- and a poorer version at that.
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12-02-2003, 09:41 PM | #14 |
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Can anyone say - "ka-ching for WETA"? It seems like Jackson got the money from New Line for the Lord of the Rings and just put it into his other pocket for WETA. LotR makes a great 9 hour advertisement for WETA too - but along the way - Jackson forgot he was making LORD OF THE RINGS.
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Well I never listen to reviews whether they are good or bad. I like to form my own opinion and will once I see this. I will say that thus far I've enjoyed the movies, deviations and all. They have still entertained me and opened up the world of Tolkien, whether something has been changed or not.
Return of the King is my favorite of the three, so if I am to be critical about changes in the movie, this is the one that it will happen on, lol. I just hope they don't mess up the Paths of the Dead more than they have with not having the Dúnedain there. In some of the trailers I was getting worried, because you see Aragorn giving a speech to the soldiers and then it flashes to Eowyn (Dernhelm), which I didn't quit understand and was hoping they were two different scenes meshed together for the trailer. I say this, because at the time Dernhelm is in battle, Aragorn is with the Grey Company. So, hopefully that speech he was giving was in front of the Black Gate or was separate from Dernhelm's scene. Either way, I am sure I will enjoy the movie for what it is regardless...
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Read that Marty's Spoilers link that was provided above by kennebecc. The first couple pages a guy answers a bunch of questions after seeing the movie and it's not the review that was posted above. He answers a lot of the questions we have all been asking lately.
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Also, since I new the Dúnedain were edited from the Paths of the Dead, what I thought was going to happen in the movie does as is confirmed here:
I can live with that change
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Here is something else interesting that was stated in that thread:
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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