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Evidence for Evolution
Since I am not allowed to post in the "Evidence for Creationism and against Evolution" thread and because the subject matter was recently restricted - I figured we needed a thread that talked about evolution and why creationism is junk science.
SquintyEyedSouthern had posted something that was very good I thought on the Creationism only thread... Quote:
I want to hear from people why they support evolution and disagree with creationism.
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03-09-2005, 08:56 PM | #2 |
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I cite the "red queen" effect, or "evolutionary arms race"
In 'alice in wondrland', the red queen tells alice that to stay where she is, she must run as fast a she can, this is where the name for the theory comes from Giraffes and Acacias Acacias were once a low growing shrub fed upon by the ancestors of giraffes eventually, the acacias with particularly sharp thorns were not eaten, thos that had smaller thorns got eaten, resulting in all acacias having spiky thorns. those giraffes with extremely long tongues were the only ones that managed to get to the succelent leaves, and survive. only those acacias with longer trunks would survive the giraffe attacks, then only those giraffes with longer necks manage to reach the succelent leaves on top of the trees, thus we arrive at the stage we have now - tall, spiky acacias, and giraffes with long necks and long tongues. |
03-09-2005, 09:02 PM | #3 | |
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LCoU - in response to your post I wanted to post my example of how evolution from one species to another works, which I posted back in 2002.
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03-09-2005, 09:06 PM | #4 |
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next case study:
archosaurs - dinosauria - archaeopteryx/avimimus/syntarsis - birds |
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Here is bird fossil sequences... Quote:
Dinosauricon Sinosauropteryx
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or at least completely untrue as far as I have seen. I saw FM ask you to stop repeating your question, that's all. Did he ask you to stop posting in the thread? I didn't see that. Quote:
Interesting that you chose giraffes, Chrys, because just for a note of history, when Darwin wrote "The Origin of Species", he believed in pangenes (that use and disuse of features will pass on to the next generation). In chapter 5, "Laws of Variation", he states his belief in pangenes and I believe mentions a giraffe somewhere. Of course, pangenes were later proved false, and evolutionists didn't discard their theory; they chose another mechanism, which is referred to as beneficial mutations. Good example of modifying the mechanism while adhering to the original idea - perfectly good thing to do. Another interesting part of the theory of evolution is that species will sometimes vary enough so that they can't breed anymore - very interesting and completely observeable!
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03-09-2005, 09:20 PM | #8 | |
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lets think about primates for a minute homo erectus - Mr. "hey i can walk upright!" homo habilis, great maker of tools Homo Sapiens S. - Us guys Gorilla - simple tools chimpanzee - great maker of tools, goes to war, simple communication bonobo - maker of complex tools, more advanced communication it is also interesting to note that bonobos, or pygmy chimpanzees (our nearest relatives), are almost exclusively bisexual, and operate in tribes, based on hereditary family hierachy |
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10-04-2005, 11:41 PM | #10 |
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I believe you to be an agitator. What have yu got against evolution?If you knock it dont use it. in exemplia: tell it to your physician at your next rectal exam. You cant prove that god or anything inthe bible exists other than the bloody parts or the sining and the whoring, so by your own definition, why teach it? Evolution is the basis of all systematics in classification of living organisms. You cannot say 'woe' to evoltuion but then say 'hey that classification system is real handy, billy bob'. It doesnt work that way. GO on a fossil hunt someday and tell me those fossils were made 5000 and seven days. ANd take this argument back to the 18th century, Aristotle.
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10-04-2005, 11:47 PM | #11 |
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What have you got against creationism?? Or theistic evolution??
I did not say I had anything against evolution. What I have an issue with is atheistic evolution. And no, I don't necessarily believe in Young Earth Creationism. That's a stereotype. And yes, by my definition, you can exclude creationism from schools. But that would also mean that, to be fair, you would exclude evolution from schools. That sounds fair to me. BTW...what's wrong with Aristotle? (And he wasn't 18th century!)
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And please cut the ad hominem arguments.
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