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They left Middle-earth, followed Elrond, and remained Elvish | 2 | 28.57% | |
They remained in Middle-earth and became mortal | 3 | 42.86% | |
One left, the other remained (please tell us which did what) | 0 | 0% | |
Something else entirely (please tell us what) | 2 | 28.57% | |
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12-27-2019, 05:15 AM | #1 |
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Did Elladan and Elrohir leave Middle-earth or stay?
I’ve often wondered whether Elladan and Elrohir left Middle-earth or remained and like their sister Arwen chose mortality. What do you think?
I’ll wait a while to vote so that others can be first. |
12-28-2019, 10:03 AM | #2 |
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I vote for 'other', because I don't see why they'd have to choose.
I know the whole point of the Pereldar is that they have to choose, but in essense this will only come up in specific and rather rare circumstances. Until those circumstances come about, they can go about their immortal business well, pretty much forever and never have a worry. The choice only comes up if and when they intend to marry, and then their choice is likely determined by the race of their lover; or they want to sail West at some point, in which case they must choose to be Eldar. And if they die before picking a race, they probably can still get to make that choice in the Halls of the Dead, in front of a very grumpy Mandos, I'm thinking. So not choosing pretty much costs nothing. Maybe I'm lazy, but if I don't have to make a difficult choice, I'd avoid deciding it for as long as feasible. Or maybe I just like the idea of the brothers postponing making a decision indefinitely while making Cirdan very annoyed at not being able to leave until they do. I bet they'd think that an awesome prank... |
01-23-2020, 02:27 AM | #3 |
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I've been pondering this, and haven't voted yet. Some years back, I would have said I was pretty certain they left Middle Earth. Now I don't know.
Part if it comes down to their grandpa, Celeborn. Because they stayed at Rivendell with him. Why didn't he leave Middle Earth with Galadriel. Was it because he had always lived there... had never lived in Aman? And didn't wish to leave Middle Earth and go there? Or... did he just want to spend a little more time in Middle Earth before he left it. If he intended to leave - I think the twins would have been staying until he left, and would then go with him (this was my earlier thinking). However - what if he intended to stay? Then it's possible either that the twins remained to spend some last few years with him (and see their sister from time-to-time) before departing. OR... they could have just decided to stay in Middle Earth forever with him, and with Arwen. I still don't know. We don't see a whole lot of Elladan and Elrohir, so it's hard to gage what was on their minds. In fact - I don't know if we ever see them apart... do we?
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01-24-2020, 02:32 PM | #4 |
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Why the twins have to leave for Valinor? Is the life with peace and quietness of the cemetery is better than the life on the continent, where is a wide field for multitudes of actions, if you don't feel like a walking corpse? In mine POV there were no valid reasons for them to leave M.E, and also there were no means to do so, because the last (hallowed) ship made by Cirdan departed a long time ago. Considering that even crafty Noldor were unsuccessful in navigation of their ships to the Blessed Land, what chances have had persons unskilled in building the seaworthy ships, not to mention to navigate through the dangerous Great Sea and traps of Enchanted Islands in the Shadow Sea, I would say that their journey( if they took it) might have had a very sad end.
As for Celeborn, he stayed. Tolkien did not procrastinate much on this subject, but he was giving a definite indication of it. At Celeborn’s parting words to Aragorn Tolkien clearly stated that the Elven Lord will never see his beloved Galadriel by making Celeborn to express a wish that Aragorn's fate may be better than his own and the love of his live will stay with him till the end. “May your doom be other than mine, and your treasure remain with you to the end".(RotK. “Many Partings”) The end - is the end of life, which means that Celeborn won't see Galadriel for the rest of his life, so he is to stay where the real Home is, eventually “fading” into the Lingerer
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01-27-2020, 11:19 PM | #5 |
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Olmer - good job coming up with that quote Celeborn says to Aragorn. I had forgotten that one.
Kind of tells me that there's no expectation that Celeborn would leave Middle Earth and go to Aman. Which means - to me - it doesn't make sense that Elladan or Elrohir would go there either. Their sister stayed. I wonder if they would hope to do, achieve or become anything... fading as their Elven abilities might be. Maybe they would just fade. Question though... just because they stay, does that mean that they naturally - and immediately (more or less) have chosen mortality? Or could they just linger, half-elven as they are, without making a choice? Until the choice becomes made for them? Their situation is different from Arwen's - a half-elven who chose to marry a mortal. They're just hanging around a little longer... Anyway... I now know how I am going to vote.
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01-27-2020, 11:20 PM | #6 |
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I voted for the "Something else" - because I'm not convinced yet that they would automatically become mortal by staying. At least not for a good long while. Unless some other choice of their's brought it on.
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03-27-2020, 03:38 AM | #7 | |
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I’ve waited three months. Along the way, after others had voted, I voted, too.
I am with Olmer on this subject. Quote:
The end of [Elrond’s] sons, Elladan and Elrohir, is not told: they delay their choice, and remain for a whileI think that the implication from other statements makes it clear that they chose to remain with the Dúnedain of Arnor whom they came to love. |
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