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Now there have been a few comments in other threads of late which have both intrested me and worried me! Relating Orcs to Muslims in the Should we show orcs pity thread!
Are all Muslims tarnished with the brush of west hating phycos? Hell bent on causeing so much harm to people its without reason? When we think Muslim today what do we think? Do we think they all hate us and want to take over? As i know many people in England do! How many of us know Muslims well? How many of us would be willing to get to know a Muslim? I personally grew up with a Muslim boy he was called Sanj! Cockermouth is a strange place (and thats not just the name) because we havent got much of an asian comunity! Its still a very white area! So Sanj grew up with all white friends and to be honest you couldnt meet a nicer lad he fits in as well as anyone i have ever meet and is not at all reclusive(and a bit gay me suspects) Now when i lived in Scunthorpe for two years there were a lot of Muslims and they did all stick together and didnt really like to mix with people. Infact a lot of them were downright racist! But we had one of them Sadrul on our course and when he was just with us he was again a nice lad it seemed to me its when they are together they became shy and recluse. Now the comments made on other threads worried me because they showed that people seem to think all Muslims were the same which is simply not true. I have allways been dead set against the way we let Sinn Fainn and other such partys get elected to government in this country as they have there own terrorist agendas! So how do you feel about Muslims and more importantally how does you nation and media see and show them because if we let this base racism continue we are in for all sorts of problems
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Thank you Sween, for taking this to the proper forum.
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10-15-2003, 08:27 AM | #6 |
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well in australia as much as we love the multicultural them it isnt as if we have a few hicks in the sticks who are absolute nutcases when it comes to racism. when Pauline Hanson got into politics it didnt surprise me at all when she was winning every vote in queensland, western australia and northern territory, it differs from community as to your 'multiculturalism'... I live in bendigo and i am happy to say it is a multicultural city. Largely thanks to the gold rush that brought thousands of chinese prospectors here we now have a wonderful heritage that includes the longest chinese dragon in the southern hemisphere... as for muslims well i dont know any personally but there are quite a few muslim students at LaTrobe down here and they are accepted like any other aussie... after all this terrorism bullshit their have been some mosque attacks but that is just loser suburbian rats with nothing better to do and i think they were condemned by the majority of australians...
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I'm glad you brought this up because I think it's a defining issue of our time.
It sometimes it seems like the neoconservatives would like us to supplant "Muslim" for "Communist" in our lexicon of fear. We need someone to be afraid of so they can carry on spending our money on copious quantities of death-dealing hardware. Sinn Fein is a great example. You wouldn't consider the terms "Sinn Fein" and "catholic" synonymous, would you? So why do we so easily confuse "muslim" with "Al-Qa'ida"? Another reason why it's a good example is because they're part of the political process now and they have renounced terrorism. Last edited by The Gaffer : 10-15-2003 at 11:20 AM. |
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I do not now think anything in particular about muslims. They are as different as all other people. Two of my former colleagues were muslims, one guy from Morocco who held Ramadan, didn't eat any porc meat and never tasted any alcohol. The other guy from Iran wasn't that religious, he was fond of whisky and women. Both were nice and clever guys. There's a muslim woman from Somalia working in our pre-school daycare, she is wearing the hijab all the time. I like her, she's gentle and smart.
I admit that I was prejudiced against muslims before I got to know these people. I talked much with the Iranian guy, he said he was tired of explaining why he didn't behave like a muslim. He was tired of facing all the negative expectations other people had of him when they put the label 'muslim' on him.
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I've never had a problem with muslims in general. We have a huge mosque on Rt 1 aobut 5 minutes from me.
I do however have a problem with a lot of muslims in the middle east. Like the ones who go out into the street to celebrate and cheer the latest bombing. A lot of there attitudes are so backwater - the women are treated as second class citizen. In Saudi Arabia a women can't even drive. Women get acid thrown on their face for looking at a guy whoe is not a relative. They get their faces slashed if they go out without being covered. This to me is barbarism. This is not al-qaeda. I also have a problem with the hate they teach in their textbooks in Saudi Arabia and other parts of the Middle East. Some of the stuff is truly disgusting. In their textbooks in Saudi Arabia it actually says that they have a duty to kill the infedels. The US has recently vehemently denounced the Saudi Arabian government for allowing this teaching and their textbooks have been watered down - but the message is still in there. I have no problem with a person being muslim. But the middle east is one of the most violent place on the face of the planet. Here are articles from Time maginazine Sept 15, 2003... Quote:
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Some Muslim belifs are indeeed what we would consider backward. (well only backward by a 100 years or so) i was watching a news report on sky news about saudi aribia which was very intresting in it this prince said that they were trying to move into the modern world but they had lived out of it for a hundred years or so and more importantally THEY HADNT PLAYED A PART IN ITS SHAPING OR VALUES i feel this is a significent point we have taliored the world in which we would concider modern ourselves, so they will never fully fall into line and to do so will take massive effort
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Look, here's the fundamental difference:
Muslims were not made and conceived as evil beings. It doesn't matter how evil you think Islam is (or how wrong you are in that respect) - Muslims were not made evil. Orcs, on the other hand...
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Your point about 'modernity' being a creation of the West is a good one- though I personally am such a child of the Enlightenment that I insist that values such as equal rights for women (and all other indivduals) are universal. Interestingly, the two largest Muslim countries in the world have both already elected women presidents.
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One thing that really annoys me about the Middle East also - is the fact that western women have to go covered even though they are not muslim. When female journalists are there reporting - they have to be covered. Supposedly when the Saudi prince flew in to visit Bush - the Prince told the air traffic controllers there was to be no women controllers guiding his plane in. The White House denied this - but I wouldn't be surprised.
Why does the west have to be understanding to their religion and they don't give us the same curtesy? it's a two way street. You should see some of the oputrageous stuff they teach about the jews and the west in general. It would make you sick.
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JD - I have to disagree with you about the Saudi government. They seem to actually be a moderating, progressive force over a very conservative populace. If they try to take the country too far, too fast - they'll have a revolution on their hands. The new government would likely be more representative of Islamic Fundamentalism and much less friendly to the west. That's why the US is so interested in keeping the current regime in power there.
The hatred in Saudi (and Palestinian) textbooks is awful... raising their next generation that way. Personally, I don't have the same worries about Muslims and / or Arabs I interact with. Have worked with many - and have some good friends among them. What's unfortunate is that there is a sub-group of Muslims who have a plan for the rest of us... they want us to become Muslims or they want us dead. Most properly, that should be changed within Islam. That will take time - and I sincerely hope it happens. GM - those two largest Muslim countries you mention are in SE Asia, not the Middle East. SE Asia is much more populous - which is why this is the case. |
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I agree that this clothing shouldn't keep them from a job.
We had a twist on this in Florida which I found sort of humorous though. A Muslim woman wanted to be able to get a driver's license - and have her face covered in the photo. Personally, I don't think she should be allowed to do that - driving is a privilege, not a right - and part of that, in our country, is that the driver be able to be clearly identified from their DL. It went round-and-round, I don't recall how it came out (any Floridians here know?). |
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