Meryy and Pippin - their importance to the fellowship

Landroval · 01-29-2006, 03:30 PM

Who do you think was more important to the fellowship, considering their deeds: Merry or Pippin?

[I would have started an "organised" debate, between two teams, but it has been suggested to me to go on an open thread first - would anyone be interested in my idea?]

Telcontar_Dunedain · 01-29-2006, 04:05 PM

I think there is a thread similar to this here. Is this similar to what you want.

Landroval · 01-29-2006, 05:41 PM

Not quite; (what I had in mind was an organised debate) what that thread apparently deals with is what reasons were there to have them in the fellowship in the first place; what I would propose to discuss is how they used their membership and who had the greater merit in the end, compared to one another. Just thought of giving it a try.

King of The Istari · 01-30-2006, 11:55 AM

I think they're both quite equal

without Merry Eowin wouldn't have had time to kill the Witch King and without Pippin Faramir would have been dead

I think Tolkien wrote it to have them reletivillly equal characters that both aid the quest If one of them wasn't there it is highly unlikely the ring would have been destroyed, (I think this goes for all the characters not just Merry and Pippin) without even one of the members of the fellowship the quest would have undoubtedly failed.

Gordis · 01-30-2006, 01:41 PM

I think Merry was far more important than Pip, and less harmful as well.

Merry by his well-timed backstab assured the victory at the Pelennor. With the Witch-King in command, I am afraid the battle would have turned ill for Gondor and Minas-Tirith would have been taken even before the arrival of Aragorn.
Well, Pippin saved Faramir, (as Merry saved Eowyn) but what are Faramir's and Eowyn's lives after all?

CrazySquirrel · 01-30-2006, 03:20 PM

Yes, I agree with Gordis, I vote for Merry!

01-29-2006, 03:30 PM	#1
Landroval Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 421	Meryy and Pippin - their importance to the fellowship Who do you think was more important to the fellowship, considering their deeds: Merry or Pippin? [I would have started an "organised" debate, between two teams, but it has been suggested to me to go on an open thread first - would anyone be interested in my idea?]

01-29-2006, 04:05 PM	#2
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	I think there is a thread similar to this here. Is this similar to what you want. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

01-30-2006, 11:55 AM	#4
King of The Istari Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Some where quite interesting with psychedelic trees Posts: 124	I think they're both quite equal without Merry Eowin wouldn't have had time to kill the Witch King and without Pippin Faramir would have been dead I think Tolkien wrote it to have them reletivillly equal characters that both aid the quest If one of them wasn't there it is highly unlikely the ring would have been destroyed, (I think this goes for all the characters not just Merry and Pippin) without even one of the members of the fellowship the quest would have undoubtedly failed. __________________ So do all who see such times, but that is not for us to decide, all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us Gandalf And what happened to the rest of your party, killed, eaten, gone home? Beorn, The Hobbit Dark and difficult Times lie ahead Harry, soon we must all face a choice, a choice between what is right and what is easy! Dumbledore Neo Are you listening to Me? Or are you too busy looking at the Woman in the Red Dress? Morpheus, The Matrix

01-29-2006, 05:41 PM	#3
Landroval Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 421	Not quite; (what I had in mind was an organised debate) what that thread apparently deals with is what reasons were there to have them in the fellowship in the first place; what I would propose to discuss is how they used their membership and who had the greater merit in the end, compared to one another. Just thought of giving it a try.

01-30-2006, 01:41 PM	#5
Gordis Lady of the Ulairi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 2,783	I think Merry was far more important than Pip, and less harmful as well. Merry by his well-timed backstab assured the victory at the Pelennor. With the Witch-King in command, I am afraid the battle would have turned ill for Gondor and Minas-Tirith would have been taken even before the arrival of Aragorn. Well, Pippin saved Faramir, (as Merry saved Eowyn) but what are Faramir's and Eowyn's lives after all?

01-30-2006, 03:20 PM	#6
CrazySquirrel Shape-shifting, men-grabbing NAZGUL Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 796	Yes, I agree with Gordis, I vote for Merry!