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09-14-2002, 12:09 PM | #1 |
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Writing using Tengwar characters
Ok, I did a search on this and found "speaking in Elvish" threads but not one specifically on writing using the Tengwar characters, so here goes...
I didn't have time/talent to learn elvish, so I decided to help satisfy my M.E. cravings by learning the Tengwar characters for the English mode and write in English using Tengwar. It is really fun, and also - I don't know, I guess almost physically enjoyable (to me, they just look so pretty! I think Tolkien wrote somewhere that he wanted to invent characters that were visually pleasing). They look nice written with a chisel-point pen, but a regular one works just fine, too. It took a little bit of time to memorize them so I could write fluently, and I still can't read quickly (I have to go character by character except for words of 2 characters, which I can read right away), but it was well worth it, plus you can write ANYTHING you want down in a journal and not worry about someone finding it and reading it! (at least no one around me can read it!) I know katya writes in Tengwar - anyone else? ***********Edit: It's almost 8 months later, and I"m still happily writing Tengwar! Some new Tengwar fans have recently joined, and just for the sake of convenience, I'm editing this post and adding the two best links on Tengwar that I've found: the passagen link and the elfique link . ***********Edit: I thought I would add some links to some of the attachments that people had, to show off our all our fun and unique and pretty Tengwar Earniel's Elvish rock RÃ*an's Nargothrond poem from Lays of Beleriand Nov 2010 - edit to add links that changed - passagen is now at http://at.mansbjorkman.net/ and called Amanye Tenceli
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 11-16-2010 at 05:35 PM. |
09-14-2002, 01:14 PM | #2 |
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hey RÃ*an!! (see look i copied the "Ã*"-I feel so special!!!) I think that Tengwar writing is visually pleasing too. That's half the reason I learned it. How did you learn it RÃ*an? Did you go to any particular website or did you just try to learn it using the LotR appendix like I did? I kind of got my own version from there then later I ended up looking it up on the internet. And I downloaded some fonts but it's hard to use because the keys don't corrrespond with the letters. Anyone know of a way to fix that?
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09-14-2002, 02:11 PM | #3 |
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I don't know tengwar, and I don't know how to learn it but that'd be neat. Last year I typed out the names of my subjects on my computer and converted the font to Tengwar and wrote that on my folder.
Anyone have a good website for learning the tengwar? or any other of the runes and stuff? -~*SmintZ |
09-14-2002, 02:54 PM | #4 |
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Glad to see you two here Just time for a quick post, will do more later - I started with LoTR Appendix, but it didn't seem complete and was also confusing what with the different modes represented (Quenyan, Sindarin and English - whew!) so I searched on the internet and found some good sites.
The two best (for me) are (sorry, don't know how to make links, I'll just type it out) http://hem.passagen.se/mansb/at/tengwar.htm and http://wwwusers.imaginet.fr/~smartin...nglish_eng.htm . The table from the first site was useful, but still confusing because it used some phoenetic symbology that I didn't understand. I made a copy of it, 'cause I liked the format and a lot of the info on it, then added notes from the info in the second site, which gave examples for each letter ("T" as in "TIE", etc). Then just straight memorization until I got to where I could write without referring to the table. (actually, I found I could memorize them in similar-sounding groups, but no time to explain now, I'll try later). Good Luck!
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 09-14-2002 at 05:04 PM. |
09-14-2002, 02:57 PM | #5 |
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...and I don't have the computer fonts working, either!! I've tried several times and something always gets fouled up. Can't help you there, katya - keep me informed on the keyboard issue, though, 'cause I'm sure I'll get them downloaded eventually... thanks!
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
09-14-2002, 05:06 PM | #6 |
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oh yeah...that was kind of hard. i think I ended up somehow getting the fonts (i have three) saved to something i dont remember...then i followed the instructions on the page but it was still kind of messed up. it's confusing to do. well good luck with it anyway. they do have tengwar translators out there too but think maybe you need to have a font on your computer. but anyway it is a method of avoiding the keyboard problem (that doesn't involve more memorizing). either way, it's still more fun to write it out yourself.
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how long did it take you to learn it? can you write in it fluently? how old are you?
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One of these days I'll get my nerve up and pm Ñólendil (who not only has TWO accent marks in his name, but usually puts lots of Quenyan names with lots of accent marks all over them in his posts) and ask him how he types them in.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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09-14-2002, 09:46 PM | #9 |
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thanks a lot for answering my post
heh Anyways, here's a link for all those Alt characters : http://www.lissaexplains.com/alt.shtml But I read that in Elvish named you don't have to use them when you're just writing notes, but since their pronunciation notes, you would only use the marks when they are going to be read aloud. -~*Smintz |
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Thanks for the link - I'll check it out asap.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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09-15-2002, 12:04 AM | #11 |
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Sorry this is coming in such short little snatches, but I'm really busy this weekend ... Hope to have more time Monday.
Just a quick note to tell you that if you try to translate the Tengwar inscription at the top of the page on the first link, you might have trouble with the 5th and the last words. Because they are actually Quenyan words, they are written in the Quenyan mode, where you read letter symbols that are in the same column from the bottom up, instead of from top down (like the English and Sindarin modes). The 5th word is "Aman", and the last word is "Tengwar" (the second consonant symbol is "NGW" in the Quenyan mode. Now have I totally confused you?) Try to translate the rest - let me know what you come up with! Good luck - feel free to ask me more questions if I can help you.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 09-15-2002 at 12:07 AM. |
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I'm 43, female, it took me about a month to really learn the characters so I didn't have to peek at my cheat sheet, and while I can't quickly scribble, I write pretty fluently now. How old are you guys? If I remember, I think you were both in your teens, but I could be way off... If I don't write anything for a week or so, I sometimes have to resort back to my cheat sheet, but after a couple of days, I get fluent again.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 09-15-2002 at 01:08 AM. |
09-15-2002, 12:56 AM | #14 |
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I mess around with Tengwar now and then, in Quenya. I've done Elvish genealogies in it, and things like that. I even did the Altariello Nainië Lóriendesse, before I found out that Tolkien already did it and had it all printed out nice and neat in The Road Goes Ever On.
I think this would be a perfect place to note that I believe you've made a mistake in your Tengwarin name, RÃ*an. If you're doing it in Quenya, you should have an "R" with the tehta for "i" over it, but then you should have that character like an "i" without the dot, with the tehta for "a" over that, then the "n". This is because, as I am sure you are aware, the vowel signs are always placed over the preceeding consonant, where possible, or otherwise over that dotless "i" character. In other words both your vowel signs need to be bumped back one, unless "RÃ*an" is ... oh. It's Sindarin, isn't it? My bad. Somehow I must have got "RÃ*el" in my head.
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I know .. it was a bit late <':l
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Nevermind being late Btw, do you write Tengwar? or some other ME-writing?
Recently, I'm trying to figure out Sarati. Am progressing. 'Tis much more phonetical than Tengwar; but beautiful-looking anyway.
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Late for what?
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I got the name from the Sil (also in Morgoth's Ring, one of my favorites) - Tuor's mom, as I'm sure you know. I just always thought it looked and sounded pretty. I wouldn't think it's Quenyan, it could be Sindarin, but really I am just writing it in the English mode since it is a non-Elvish person (English mode places the vowels like the Sindarin mode). (See my post a few posts ago where I was trying to warn Sminty about reading Quenyan words and how the vowel placement is different from English and Sindarin modes. Really threw me for a loop for awhile, until I found the vowel placement description.)
While you're here, could you please tell me how you type in all those special accent marks (tilde over n, accented vowels, umlaut, circumflex, etc)? Do you do it with the alt key and a number code, like Sminty's link, or is there a better way? I have just copied and pasted in the past, but sometimes can't find the right thing to copy. Thanks (ps - really enjoy your posts, esp. all those lovely Quenyan names you put in!)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 09-15-2002 at 01:24 AM. |
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