The last 3 to be made?

[Sween]

It is stated in the Sil that the 3 elven rings were the last 3 to be made before Sauron took up the one ring. Now were these the fullfilment of the Elves or mearly as all there perdecessors mear triffals in craft? I mean surly they ment to make better or as powerfull rings for differents purposes? If so what do you think they would of been?

[Wayfarer]

The Three were the most powerful rings that the elves made. They were, in fact, successful in doing what the elves wanted all along - allowing their wielder to hold back time and keep things they way that they wanted them to be. This is what allowed Elrond and Galadrial to maintain Rivendell and Lorien, respectively.

[Attalus]

I suspect that there was a learning curve for Elven smiths just like for any craft. The Rings would have been improved on with each repetition until the culmination of the Three. I further suspect that the Sixteen were variably powerful until Sauron corrupted them, making them homogenous, more or less.

[Sween]

Originally Posted by Attalus

I suspect that there was a learning curve for Elven smiths just like for any craft. The Rings would have been improved on with each repetition until the culmination of the Three. I further suspect that the Sixteen were variably powerful until Sauron corrupted them, making them homogenous, more or less.

Yeah but my point is after ther three were made was that the end of the matter? did they not intend to make anymore? i mean thats is a completally hypothetical thread but its intresting to think what they might make and if they could of made a ring so potent to acctuaolly challenge the one

[The Gaffer]

I think there's a reference somewhere that when Sauron made the One, Celebrimbor became aware of him and his intent regarding the bearers of the other rings.

It would make sense, then, that the Elves realised that they had been partly duped into making these Rings, and that they made them vulnerable to Sauron. Hence, perhaps, it would be too risky to make any more.

However, there are strong hints in the Hobbit and LOTR that there were other, lesser Rings in existence.

[Wayfarer]

If by 'strong hints' you mean 'flat out declarations' then yes.

[ItalianLegolas]

well i guess it would only make sense that the elven rings were forged last so that the craft could be perfected, because it was the elves who got tricked into making the rings to begin with

[Pytt]

I think they would have gone on, making rings. Feanor could never make comparsions to the Sils again, but as I see it, this don't work with Celebrimbor. the rings he made, even the three elven rings, can't be compared to the three sils in beauty nor perfection. I think he would have made more, but maybe after a time, he also would have been exasuted. but in the meantime, he would have gone on making rings. I don't think the three rings are the best that could be made. But for what purpose they should be made, I don't know.

[Elemmírë]

Hm. This is probably a somewhat different take on it:

warning: Random Thought

Could Sauron have waited any longer to make the One Ring? Assuming that the Three were not the apex of Celebrimbor's skill (probably speculation either way), most likely any that were made afterwards would be even more powerful.

The smiths of Eregion had Sauron's help in the forging of all the rings save for the last three, right? IMHO, the Elves seem to constantly be getting more independent in their work... The last three Sauron never even touched. However, they were still bound to the One.

Would it have possibly been otherwise if Celebrimbor had gotten any better at creating the Rings?

Hey, btw, does anyone know if the Nine and the Seven were of equal strength?

[Attalus]

The Nine and the Seven, as made, were not of differing sorts, though they may have had some slight differences in power. The change might have occurred when Sauron "corrupted" them. Sauron, who knows what he could have done? We do know that there was no difference between the effects of any of the Nine or the Seven in the reactions that they elicited from their victims.

[Earniel]

Originally Posted by Elemmire

Could Sauron have waited any longer to make the One Ring? Assuming that the Three were not the apex of Celebrimbor's skill (probably speculation either way), most likely any that were made afterwards would be even more powerful.

Interesting idea. If the Elves became too fast too skilled in Ring-making, Sauron would have had to react before the Elves smiths had completely mastered the art. Perhaps the Elves may have succeeded in making a ring that would not be subject to the One like all the rest if they had had the chance. Purely conjecture of course, but interesting to consider.

[Manveru]

As said before the 3 elvish rings made by celebrimbor were sorta like feanor making the silmails. they were the height of their skill thus far. after them if sauron hadnt made the one ring, i assume celebrimbor would have still tried to make better rings but it would be a long time before anyone made a better ring

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Originally Posted by Pytt

I think they would have gone on, making rings. Feanor could never make comparsions to the Sils again, but as I see it, this don't work with Celebrimbor. the rings he made, even the three elven rings, can't be compared to the three sils in beauty nor perfection. I think he would have made more, but maybe after a time, he also would have been exasuted. but in the meantime, he would have gone on making rings. I don't think the three rings are the best that could be made. But for what purpose they should be made, I don't know.

I disagree. Look at Lorien before and after the One was destroyed. This was surely the effect of Galadriel's Ring.

[ItalianLegolas]

what was? the fact that the mallorns started growing again?

[Manveru]

i think he meant the fact that it was so beautiful. legolas says that he's always wanted to visit lothlorien because its beauty is renowned throughout middle-earth

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

Originally Posted by ItalianLegolas

what was? the fact that the mallorns started growing again?

The fact that Lorien was preserved the way it was. Look at how it was before the destrucion of the Ring and then afterwards.

[Pytt]

Originally Posted by Telcontar_Dunedain

I disagree. Look at Lorien before and after the One was destroyed. This was surely the effect of Galadriel's Ring.

I'm not sure about what you are disagreeing to here TD. the way I can see it, Lorien has nothing to do with if Celebrimbor could have made more rings.

[Telcontar_Dunedain]

I was replying to the fact that someone said that Calelbrimbor could powerful Rings than the ones that were previously made and I was using Lorien before and after the diminshing of the three.