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03-12-2004, 08:57 PM | #1 |
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Teen Abstinence
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=4538056
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/7172851.htm Abstinence- what do you think?
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I think abstinence is a good idea, if you're doing it for the right reasons, and truly feel it's the best thing for you. Having sex is also a good idea if it's the right thing for you to do, and you're doing it for the right reasons. (What those reasons are vary from person to person, but should involve intimacy with a comitted partner IMO.)
I personally am not planning on having sex anytime soon. When I'm ready and mature enough I will have sex. I will use protection, and make sure I'm healthy. I'm abstinent until I've paid attention to the necessary details, and am mentally and emotionally ready. I haven't taken a written pledge, and see that as not being effective for most people, especially after having read the articles you linked to. Comitment doesn't come from a pledge; I think the people involved in the survey viewed the pledge almost like protection. (If I could spell "comittment" that would help. ) A pledge has to come from comittment.
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03-13-2004, 02:16 AM | #3 |
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Abstinence is a GREAT idea if that's what you want. However, I feel that if you are practicing abstinence, then you should still educate yourself on having responsible sex, because studies have shown that the rate of STDs and pregnancies is pretty damned high among those who practice abstinence, i.e., some end up in trouble anyway because it backfired on them.
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03-13-2004, 03:09 AM | #4 |
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Hey! I'm from Fort Wayne! anywho, yeah I pledged to myself that I would wait till I got married....kinda failed at that but it was only with my husband (it was the first for both of us so the whole STD thing was really of no concequence) and I wasn't a teen then anyways.
I agree that abstinence is the best way to go...unfortuantely it requires an AMAZING amount of control! (and I have NO patience!)(most people fail at it as far as I know ) |
03-13-2004, 03:24 AM | #5 |
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I pledged abstinence, but I didn't make a signed comittment or anything like that. I just told myself that I would save myself for my husband...of course, there is a problem of leeway. What I consider sex others may not, and what others consider sex I may not (ie: The argument of "Is oral sex really 'sex'" and so on). I have a "chastity ring" that I now prefer to call my "virginity ring"...since I was not exactly CHASTE in my last relationship. We didn't have sex, but the physical relationship got a little too far, I believe.
I'm doing it mostly for religious reasons, but also the entire thought of how sex puts you in an extremely vulnerable position, emotionally and literally. I don't want to show that most secret side of myself to someone only to lose them. To me marriage is permanence. I put myself in emotionally vulnerable positions with my ex-boyfriend, and am now suffering the guilt and extra hurt from this during the breakup. I'll know better next time.
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I think teenage abstinence is a good thing. Just because something isn't always successful doesn't mean it shouldn't be attempted (re: formal commitment to abstinence).
Also, some girls end up thinking that because they've gone so far (either "all the way" or not) with one guy means that they might as well go that far with the next guy. Like you said, Starr, that's what learning is all about, learning what you're willing to do in a relationship that doesn't have that permanent level of commitment. I like the way they put it -- "born-again virgin," which basically means that although they had sex, they realize that for them it was a mistake, and that they've decided to recommit to remaining chaste until they're married (or decide as an adult that they're ready to take that step in a relationship). Although I did hear about a woman who had kids who was calling herself a born-again virgin, and I thought that was a little stupid. I mean, at that age, you can just call yourself celibate or something. Also, I think that if young adults decide to remain chaste, they should still have an open dialogue with their partner about sex, if the relationship looks like it's heading toward marriage. It's important that couples be able to be open with one another about EVERYTHING, and sexual compatibility is important in a marriage. |
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I agree with it wholeheartedly. I'm a Catholic (sorry) and intend to have sex with one person only.
However, I feel that the abstention should be only from sexual acts. I believe there is a clear distinction between the joining of two people in sexual intercourse and... um... kissing and fun and intimacies which stop short of sex. My area has the highest teen pregnacy rate in Europe and I believe that well it really screws up the lives of some people. Also how many times do you hear people say they regret losing their virginity. I broke up with a relatively long term gf, and she now (lol, through no damn fault of mine!) has problems. Without going into what a b***h it transpired she was and how insecure she now is, had she lost her virginity doubt she would have ever have been able to wash herself clean.
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"If you even look at a woman lustfully, you have committed adultery with her in your heart." I think one can commit the same sin in ways that are beyond the merely physical. What do you think of that passage?
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11-21-2004, 12:59 PM | #10 |
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*Hides... why so mad? *
I have no recollection of writing that, but I don't think that it pragmatically unreasonable... mind you, I did just go on forever about ideology. Firstly, I would like to know the context of the quote. Was he speaking as it were a law? Was he speaking of people already married? Or should I just pack my bags and leave Christiaity for being human? I'm sure too that one can commit sins in various ways, but frankly I think that the desire and practice of a sin is worse than a sin alone. By the by, what then of the 'it's okay to think gay thoughts so long as you don't act on them argument'? And people in general, I don't think it's impossible to teach your children to obey their parents on big issues. And for sex ed to not be sex encouragement.
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It's in Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.
Matthew 5:27-29 (27) "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' (28) But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (29) If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. I was just reading a book on the 'seven deadly sins' in the works of Dorothy Sayers...wait a sec. I need to find the book and then find the section I want and then reread some stuff... Ah here we go. "...the Seven Deadly Sins were regarded as tendencies or root causes of specific vices, rather than actual offenses in themselves. The problem of Sin was understood, as Christ expounded it, to be internal rather than external, and the essential issue was ungodliness of the heart rather than destructiveness in behavior." Lust is the root sin or cause of (for example) adultery.
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Haha, looks like Janny's gotta stop having "fun" with his girlfriend.
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I am unconvinced by the belief that it's only the action that is a sin, for I think thoughts also can be sinful. Meditating on sinful things I think can be a sin itself. Thinking a great deal of homosexual thoughts for pleasure can be sinful, just as thinking and enjoying normal sexual thoughts (in an improper way or time) can be sinful. If on the other hand, we try to resist those sexual thoughts that are clearly not of God, I think that we're all right. Having the thought appear is not our fault. Whether we entertain it or not is. I actually have something of a difficulty myself, here, being unclear on where the proper sexual thoughts end and the improper sexual thoughts start. So that's an area of difficulty for me, which I trust God will grant me the answers to, in due time. Quote:
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Don't apologize for being Catholic Janny, I know lots of lovely Catholic people - I hope to count you among them.
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Okay, I won't. (I actually don't know what that spiel might be about anyway so no worries. Maybe you should start a thread on it. )
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03-13-2004, 07:33 PM | #17 |
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I agree, Azalea. Just because one chooses to abstain from sex doesn't mean you can't talk about it with your romantic partner. In fact, you should talk about it, and set down boundaries in the relationship...not that they're always completely honored when things get a little "intense".
I agree with Janny as well. Kissing and hugging and being close aren't things I'm against doing in a relationship, but it gets harder to draw the line as you get more physically intimate. And Arien, I've heard that, too, but I think it's also when she orgasms, so the whole bonding thing occuring without actually having sex is definitely possible.
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I think you actually have to have penetration for it to be sex. That's how I think about it anyway. I don't personally count oral sex as sex, if you know what I mean. Not to say that people have to have oral sex in an intimite relationship, people should just go as far as they feel comfortable.
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Well I don't think oral sex would be chaste...
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I classify oral sex as sex...and to me it's just as if not MORE intimate than "intercourse". By my standards, I have not had sex...but I definitely went farther than I ever thought I would, and I'm feeling rather guilty about some things. But...the guilt will go away, and now I know better.
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