Lawyers

Elanor · 10-12-2005, 06:37 PM

Are there lawyers in Middle Earth? What do you think? If so, where do they live, what do they do, and should we drive them out?

On a similar topic, how are government things run, besides the kings and stewards? Do they have health care and welfare programs? Who manages education? What about endowments for the arts?

Am I going to be shot for even considering the idea of lawyers in Middle Earth?

Elanor · 10-12-2005, 07:48 PM

Maybe the lawyers are all in Southern Gondor.

Curubethion · 10-12-2005, 08:09 PM

There's no such thing as an LOTR lawyer. If you want to sue someone, just take your sword and chop their head off.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 10-13-2005, 02:31 PM

I don't think there are lawyers in ME, but I won't shoot you for it.
Education wise I think that there was none in the Shire, as it says somewhere (either in LotR or TH) that most hobbit children didn't know how to read or write. I'm also guessing from Aragorn's little talk about the Rohirrim that they didn't have an schooling.
As for Government. The Shire has a Mayor and a Thain. In Gondor they have a Council which I think acts like the Cabinet does in Britain. It was them who refused Arvedui and appointed Earnil II as King.

rohirrim TR · 10-13-2005, 02:43 PM

no elanor we won't shoot you (at least i won't,) we'll use lightsabers

i think if any race had lawyers it would have been hobbits with their little small claims courts and housing difficulties that bilbo had

Elanor · 10-13-2005, 04:00 PM

Actually, I was thinking about this and I realized they do have heralds and esquires that fulfill lawyerly tasks sometimes-- representing someone else, executing their wishes. Like the Mouth of Sauron, Wormtongue, etc. Even Elrond in his younger days. They just don't call themselves lawyers.

In fact, you could possibly consider the Istari to be lawyers, since they were sent out to represent the Valar and handle their concerns. Also some of the Valar seem to have special Maiar as assistants who handle their technical stuff. So no one is free of lawyers! Ha ha ha!

inked · 10-13-2005, 04:01 PM

There ARE lawyers in Middle Earth, sillies! They are all in Mordor! That's why those poor hobbits had to do their own wills and things. And that part about the Bag End place, well, it was just to show that all hobbits can get along without lawyers! (They are not niccccce are they, preciousssssss. No. No. No. Tough and stringly and off-color and nassssssty issssss tthemsssssssss.)

10-12-2005, 06:37 PM	#1
Elanor Hobbit in the Music Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Westmarch Posts: 1,111	Lawyers Are there lawyers in Middle Earth? What do you think? If so, where do they live, what do they do, and should we drive them out? On a similar topic, how are government things run, besides the kings and stewards? Do they have health care and welfare programs? Who manages education? What about endowments for the arts? Am I going to be shot for even considering the idea of lawyers in Middle Earth? __________________ Middle Earth Crossword Puzzle on the Tolkien Site of DOOM Segovia Mazes

10-12-2005, 07:48 PM	#2
Elanor Hobbit in the Music Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Westmarch Posts: 1,111	Maybe the lawyers are all in Southern Gondor. __________________ Middle Earth Crossword Puzzle on the Tolkien Site of DOOM Segovia Mazes

10-12-2005, 08:09 PM	#3
Curubethion Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College! Posts: 1,976	There's no such thing as an LOTR lawyer. If you want to sue someone, just take your sword and chop their head off. __________________ Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan)

10-13-2005, 02:31 PM	#4
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	I don't think there are lawyers in ME, but I won't shoot you for it. Education wise I think that there was none in the Shire, as it says somewhere (either in LotR or TH) that most hobbit children didn't know how to read or write. I'm also guessing from Aragorn's little talk about the Rohirrim that they didn't have an schooling. As for Government. The Shire has a Mayor and a Thain. In Gondor they have a Council which I think acts like the Cabinet does in Britain. It was them who refused Arvedui and appointed Earnil II as King. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

10-13-2005, 04:00 PM	#6
Elanor Hobbit in the Music Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Westmarch Posts: 1,111	Actually, I was thinking about this and I realized they do have heralds and esquires that fulfill lawyerly tasks sometimes-- representing someone else, executing their wishes. Like the Mouth of Sauron, Wormtongue, etc. Even Elrond in his younger days. They just don't call themselves lawyers. In fact, you could possibly consider the Istari to be lawyers, since they were sent out to represent the Valar and handle their concerns. Also some of the Valar seem to have special Maiar as assistants who handle their technical stuff. So no one is free of lawyers! Ha ha ha! __________________ Middle Earth Crossword Puzzle on the Tolkien Site of DOOM Segovia Mazes

10-13-2005, 04:01 PM	#7
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	There ARE lawyers in Middle Earth, sillies! They are all in Mordor! That's why those poor hobbits had to do their own wills and things. And that part about the Bag End place, well, it was just to show that all hobbits can get along without lawyers! (They are not niccccce are they, preciousssssss. No. No. No. Tough and stringly and off-color and nassssssty issssss tthemsssssssss.) __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

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