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10-10-2007, 08:40 AM | #1 |
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Ron Paul for president of USA 08? Your thoughts.
Congressman Ron Paul is the leading advocate for freedom in our nation’s capital and is seeking the 2008 Republican nomination for President of the United States. As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Dr. Paul tirelessly works for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies. He is known among his congressional colleagues and his constituents for his consistent voting record. Dr. Paul never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution.
Short youtube videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7d_e9lrcZ8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BB3NrSpRGE Most Recent debate Ron Paul highlights. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjnT1EyUfkQ What do you think about the so called "Ron Paul revolution." A significant video related to this issue - JFK speech, believed to have gotten him killed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru4TbL8aweE
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Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Ecclesiasticus 2:1-5 1 My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation... ...4 Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5 For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; Last edited by The Telcontarion : 10-10-2007 at 08:43 AM. |
10-10-2007, 09:30 AM | #2 |
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I think people should definitely vote for Ron Paul, because I have a standing bet on how long it wouuld take some right-wing nutcase to assassinate him. Also, I like gridlock in Washington. So, go wild.
My second choice would be Rudy Guiliani, because I like seeing third parties embarrass themselves, and the Green Party just has not been amusing, recently. It is my opinion that Dr. Paul hasn't gotten the memo that the Republican party has completely abandoned all their principles except "Rich people are better than poor people" and "Religious plurality sux." and therefore he can't be elected by them, but it would be a better world if he could be.
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10-10-2007, 10:24 AM | #3 | |
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10-10-2007, 02:55 PM | #4 |
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He's has some decent views on spending, but he doesn't realize that near-zero government regulation leads to the exact opposite of free trade, the complete dominance of a select few people/corporations that control nearly all the capital and eventually stifle free trade, much like in the 20s.
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10-12-2007, 03:31 AM | #5 | |
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10-10-2007, 03:06 PM | #6 |
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At first I thought Ron Paul seemed great, too. I think someone who sees upholding the Constitution as a priority is a good thing. We could certainly use someone who cared more about our rights. But we need more then rights, and all he cares about is our rights. He's an extreme Libertarian. In a Libertarian's mind there's NO TIME for the government to step in, which I don't agree with. Anyone who's a hardcore anything I think is dangerous. Balance I think is what we need in a president, and as great as Ron Paul would be, I think there are things he would neglect.
That's how I feel, anyway. I'm eager to see how this whole election thing unfolds. Last edited by D.Sullivan : 10-11-2007 at 03:59 PM. |
10-10-2007, 05:41 PM | #7 | |
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Anyone want to point me to a "good reasons for the government to get involved" thread?
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That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May |
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10-11-2007, 10:58 AM | #8 | |
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Ron Paul to me is Like Tar- Palantir
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Maybe if he was president instead of the first bush or even Clinton, but now, no. You see I see this as a spiritual battle more so than a physical one. Just like Palantir, Ron Paul's policies are exactly what is needed, but the people (not just in america, this is a world desease) are degenerate, depraved, arrogant, pathetic, selfish, caluss, thus fearful: the wicked!!! Though I believe the paradigm is shifting and the tide is turning, people are waking up to the machine, the lesson learned as a result of our folly cannot be fully appreciated/comprehended/understood before we face the consequences. Alas!!! "Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short." Matthew 24:22 "Those days," these days , unless they are cut short no life, no flesh, will remain; but for the sake of the elect/the chosen/ the faithful, those days will be cut short, meaning an intervention by god/the savior (according to the bible - none here may need swear by it, I do not force you to) will happen to save the faithful. Ron Paul is a sign of the time (JFK come again) but it is to late; I might be wrong, I hope I am wrong, but I know I am not; to my deepest horror and terror and regret and sadness. I am afraid of what else, is to come. May god have mercy on us all.
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10-11-2007, 03:55 PM | #9 | |
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But Ron Paul doesn't think so. He's so enamored with free capitalist America that he's not even willing to consider that we might need a nationally funded health care system, when many think it is a given that we need one, or at least that the system needs some serious reform. By the way, I was homeschooled, and to me the right to school your own child is Holy. There are some things we definitely don't want the government putting there noses into, and in my opinion there are some things we do. |
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10-11-2007, 09:44 PM | #10 |
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In my mind, saying that the government can't do any good for humanity is basically saying that there is no community at all. We are all individuals out for ourselves, with not a care for our fellow human beings.
I don't buy it. Humans are a communal animal. We simply can't survive without trying to act together. It's what made us the dominant species on this planet, as opposed the all the other lifeforms that act singlely or in very small groups. One can argue that a particular government doesn't do a very good job at expressing communal interests, but just giving up an basically saying that everyone is just better if they only concentrate on looking out for themselves is a copout in my mind. Pure capitalism (which is not a free market) is fine for perpetuating success from generation to generation for those lucky enough to be born to a family with a successful member in its past. It's basically what the world was all about before the modern democratic era. But if you want to bring humanity, as a whole, forward, the lucky have to be willing to sacrifice a bit for those not born with the same advantages. It's thinking about the whole of human society at the level that most consider themselves. A tough prospect, since humans are generally quite self-centered, but worth it.
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11-07-2007, 12:53 PM | #11 |
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Remember remember the 5th of november
On the 5th of November, Ron Paul broke records for raising money in one day online. Almost 5 million dollars.
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Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Ecclesiasticus 2:1-5 1 My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation... ...4 Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5 For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; |
11-27-2007, 01:49 AM | #12 |
The one true King of the human race, direct descendant of Adam and heir to the kings of old. "You owe me your fealty." The Tar Minyaturion
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Ron Paul : House of Cards
Amazing video on why Ron Paul can save this country. It is his economic policies. Ron Paul : House of Cards
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Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Ecclesiasticus 2:1-5 1 My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation... ...4 Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5 For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; |
11-27-2007, 09:41 AM | #13 |
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lol. We might have to move this to the advertising thread, dude.
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That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May |
11-27-2007, 01:04 PM | #14 | |
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Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Ecclesiasticus 2:1-5 1 My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation... ...4 Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5 For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; |
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11-27-2007, 01:47 PM | #15 |
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When reading all the things on the American presidency etc. it makes me think of only one thing: I'm glad I'm not American.
It sounds like such a hassle. I know, I'm lazy. I wonder if the new president will end the war on terrorism or let it die all by itself or will continue with it. For me as a foreigner, there's nothing to do but wait and see how it works out.
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11-27-2007, 03:19 PM | #16 | |
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Do you think no one has heard of free markets and isolationism? I think they're pretty common points of discussion, during election campaigns.
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That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May |
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12-26-2007, 02:29 PM | #17 |
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If you think that you leave clannish-nish or clique-iness is left behind in high school... That never stops. What high school does is TRAIN people for life later on. Home schooled children learn the same skills through social groups, etc. It's a very important skill - socialising & dealing with cliques. Teens just exaggerate those skills like a thousand-times.
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12-26-2007, 02:50 PM | #18 |
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Absolutely. I see that at work. I see it in our religious divisions. I see it in our extraciricular activities. In our politics. Even in how manicured our lawns are or who owns what car or where they live etc. It never ends. Its human nature. The difference is kids are more in your face about it and you get phenomenon like "mean girls". Adults tend to be somewhat in denial about it and go about it in a subtler more hypocritical way. Its all sad though. And kids who arent prepared to deal with the clannishness of human nature are sure to have a rough time dealing with it in their real lives.
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12-26-2007, 02:56 PM | #19 | |
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That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May |
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12-26-2007, 02:53 PM | #20 | |
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"Dealing with people" and "behaving cliquishly" are two completely different things, I think. Some people (homeschooled or otherwise) have more people skills than others, that's natural. But adults, who are tasked with the responsibility of educating children, need to give them skills for not being bullies, as well as for coping with bullies, and for not excluding people, as well as for coping with exclusion. Those skills aren't learned from peers, generally. And I understand why teachers, with other pressures, don't take them on in school, as they used to. But it's a shortcoming of the system I don't see repeated in the larger world. As I said, maybe my experience is unusual.
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That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May |
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